Comments for http://thehinduvoice.com/blog Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:26:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 Comment on How should Hindus relate to Western culture? by Suraj Raj http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/how-should-hindus-relate-to-western-culture/#comment-36462 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:48:29 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/how-should-hindus-relate-to-western-culture/#comment-36462 You find lots of hyprocrites in Hindu(few so called saints too) and sulla communities, who keep on speaking against the western world.The moment they get a ticket(visa included) to the western world, its bye bye home land. You find lots of hyprocrites in Hindu(few so called saints too) and sulla communities, who keep on speaking against the western world.The moment they get a ticket(visa included) to the western world, its bye bye home land.

]]> Comment on Jammu & Kashmir erupts once again by Suraj Raj http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/jammu-kashmir-erupts-once-again/#comment-36456 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:18:55 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/jammu-kashmir-erupts-once-again/#comment-36456 Are we surprised at what had happened in Kashmir? no! not at all. But are we surprised at what's happening in Jammu? yuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Are we surprised at what had happened in Kashmir? no! not at all.

But are we surprised at what’s happening in Jammu? yuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

]]> Comment on Shivaji - India’s answer to the Statue of Liberty by Dr Saradindu Mukherji http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/shivaji-indias-answer-to-the-statue-of-liberty/#comment-36447 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:27:36 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/shivaji-indias-answer-to-the-statue-of-liberty/#comment-36447 This is absolutely brilliant.Though quite late but better late then never. Must make arrangements for an excellent documentation/library. Many congratulations This is absolutely brilliant.Though quite late but better late then never. Must make arrangements for an excellent documentation/library. Many congratulations

]]> Comment on How should Hindus relate to Western culture? by Pravin http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/how-should-hindus-relate-to-western-culture/#comment-36416 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:28:19 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/how-should-hindus-relate-to-western-culture/#comment-36416 Rahul K, By far the larger majoirty of the Hindus living in the UK are "more western" then the Indian born Indians, so you state the obvious. Cant you be and Indian and be western too? I see no conflict there. I do not think anyone here sets out to "deride" the west or the Birtish culture as you appear to state .. I have said above: "I see no conflict". What or who do you set out to defend then, as there is nothing there for you to defend. No one has assumed here that the west and the Indian culture should be, or is inherently at odds. That is not the case anyway. Hinduism in my opinion incorporates and embraces the preachings and philosophies of Sikhism & Buddhism which are both great independent faiths in their own rights however, for political debate when I use the word "Hindu" I include the peoples of these two great faiths within the context of that scope. Would you agree that tolerant and secular Indians are: Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and Christian/Catholics? Rahul K,

By far the larger majoirty of the Hindus living in the UK are “more western” then the Indian born Indians, so you state the obvious.

Cant you be and Indian and be western too? I see no conflict there.

I do not think anyone here sets out to “deride” the west or the Birtish culture as you appear to state .. I have said above: “I see no conflict”.

What or who do you set out to defend then, as there is nothing there for you to defend. No one has assumed here that the west and the Indian culture should be, or is inherently at odds. That is not the case anyway.

Hinduism in my opinion incorporates and embraces the preachings and philosophies of Sikhism & Buddhism which are both great independent faiths in their own rights however, for political debate when I use the word “Hindu” I include the peoples of these two great faiths within the context of that scope.

Would you agree that tolerant and secular Indians are: Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and Christian/Catholics?

]]> Comment on Survey - Terrorism: the solution by Pravin http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/survey-terrorism-the-solution/#comment-36412 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:01:47 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/survey-terrorism-the-solution/#comment-36412 Rahul K, You cannot compare Klu Klux Klan to Islamic terror. That was a white supremist type movement and spread terror amongst non-whites for that reason. They were Christians, they were not Christian terrorists and did not kill because the Bible said so. Islam's Kuran preaches jihadi hatered towards non-Muslims & orders Muslims to convert or kill. That is why the Klu Klux Klan was won over by idology .. that formula will not work or remedy the prescribed ideological brainwashing Muslim children are subjected from childhood, and taught terror at Maddressas. All Muslims read Kuran and its intolerant preachings, so how can it be: "More productive to create a similar feeling the ‘white’ community has against the Klu Klux Klan for muslims and Islamic terrorists" That is a misguided or inadequately thought through idea as it just cannot happen. Dilip Patel .. it would be good to talk and exchange ideas and theories. pravin_bhate@hotmail.co. uk Rahul K,

You cannot compare Klu Klux Klan to Islamic terror. That was a white supremist type movement and spread terror amongst non-whites for that reason. They were Christians, they were not Christian terrorists and did not kill because the Bible said so.

Islam’s Kuran preaches jihadi hatered towards non-Muslims & orders Muslims to convert or kill.

That is why the Klu Klux Klan was won over by idology .. that formula will not work or remedy the prescribed ideological brainwashing Muslim children are subjected from childhood, and taught terror at Maddressas.

All Muslims read Kuran and its intolerant preachings, so how can it be:

“More productive to create a similar feeling the ‘white’ community has against the Klu Klux Klan for muslims and Islamic terrorists”

That is a misguided or inadequately thought through idea as it just cannot happen.

Dilip Patel .. it would be good to talk and exchange ideas and theories. pravin_bhate@hotmail.co. uk

]]> Comment on Musings on Moksha by navin http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/musings-on-moksha/#comment-36401 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:10:25 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/musings-on-moksha/#comment-36401 I have to agree with Pravin. With the added comment: Kama, Artha, Gyana, and Moksha are commonly thought of as a Maslovian hierarchy. But I suspect that an advaitist functional view of reality would not see it as such. We can each define each of these to our own ego: lust for the opposite sex, for a candy bar, for a massage; Wealth as power, money, land, financial security; Knowledge for mastery, interest, ved; Moksha as per Pravin. In effect, these are four driving forces in the prakrit of human nature. It is up to us to balance the four and thus define the meaning we impart onto our lives. I do think Moksha is in its own category as the final common goal that underlies all the others. But most people are not ready for the life of a jivanmukti that can embrace such a totality of reality in every moment. Thus we, me included, "twitter and waste our hours in an off hand way." hariaum I have to agree with Pravin.

With the added comment:

Kama, Artha, Gyana, and Moksha are commonly thought of as a Maslovian hierarchy. But I suspect that an advaitist functional view of reality would not see it as such. We can each define each of these to our own ego: lust for the opposite sex, for a candy bar, for a massage; Wealth as power, money, land, financial security; Knowledge for mastery, interest, ved; Moksha as per Pravin. In effect, these are four driving forces in the prakrit of human nature. It is up to us to balance the four and thus define the meaning we impart onto our lives.

I do think Moksha is in its own category as the final common goal that underlies all the others. But most people are not ready for the life of a jivanmukti that can embrace such a totality of reality in every moment. Thus we, me included, “twitter and waste our hours in an off hand way.”

hariaum

]]> Comment on Knife crime: my two cents by navin http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/knife-crime-my-two-cents/#comment-36400 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:01:35 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/knife-crime-my-two-cents/#comment-36400 Frankly, its a failure of parenting. Of course the child bears the ultimate responsibility for its' actions but the environment the child grows up in, the friends s/he associates with, and the values they get have more to do with the parents than the kids. But if the parents are struggling to survive financially, culturally, and are outnumbered and outresourced by socialization forces beyond their control, they are bound to lose. I think parents of Indian kids think that they did ok without much input so their kids will do ok, but the modern reality is that the culture is not watching our for the kids so the parents have to. This means trips to Mandir, social gatherings with families with like values, models of "cool" and socially adept persons just ahead of the child's age... All this require assertive parenting and the modern world really demands it. All this boils down to those that had to be cool by demonstrating physical power will hopefully be better parents to their own children. But we must remember, the statistics are that our parents are way ahead in parenting then most groups within the western world. Other subsets also have their kids grow up in the same environments and they just don't do as well. Just as the fault is with the parents, so is the success. hariaum Frankly, its a failure of parenting. Of course the child bears the ultimate responsibility for its’ actions but the environment the child grows up in, the friends s/he associates with, and the values they get have more to do with the parents than the kids. But if the parents are struggling to survive financially, culturally, and are outnumbered and outresourced by socialization forces beyond their control, they are bound to lose. I think parents of Indian kids think that they did ok without much input so their kids will do ok, but the modern reality is that the culture is not watching our for the kids so the parents have to. This means trips to Mandir, social gatherings with families with like values, models of “cool” and socially adept persons just ahead of the child’s age… All this require assertive parenting and the modern world really demands it. All this boils down to those that had to be cool by demonstrating physical power will hopefully be better parents to their own children.

But we must remember, the statistics are that our parents are way ahead in parenting then most groups within the western world. Other subsets also have their kids grow up in the same environments and they just don’t do as well. Just as the fault is with the parents, so is the success.

hariaum

]]> Comment on Are Gurus still relevant or necessary in the modern age? by navin http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/are-gurus-still-relevant-or-necessary-in-the-modern-age/#comment-36395 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:42:31 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/are-gurus-still-relevant-or-necessary-in-the-modern-age/#comment-36395 There were always false gurus. I don't remember the exact reference but I believe that Ravaana was doing really well when he was mislead by a false guru and thus was reborn with a lot of power but misguided on dharma. It is the discriminating mind (buddhi) that ultimately guides us to the "right" guru. I also think the article is on topic for if we don't find someone to challenge our misconceptions we end up ideological idiot slaves to some dead guy or silly book that are more real in our own delusions than in Tat Sat. hariaum. There were always false gurus. I don’t remember the exact reference but I believe that Ravaana was doing really well when he was mislead by a false guru and thus was reborn with a lot of power but misguided on dharma. It is the discriminating mind (buddhi) that ultimately guides us to the “right” guru. I also think the article is on topic for if we don’t find someone to challenge our misconceptions we end up ideological idiot slaves to some dead guy or silly book that are more real in our own delusions than in Tat Sat.

hariaum.

]]> Comment on Hindu temples lead the way in Green Technology by navin http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/hindu-temples-lead-the-way-in-green-technology/#comment-36394 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:30:05 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/hindu-temples-lead-the-way-in-green-technology/#comment-36394 I like the idea of purifying our environment. nice construct. congrats to the mandirs working on this noble effort. hariaum I like the idea of purifying our environment. nice construct. congrats to the mandirs working on this noble effort.

hariaum

]]> Comment on Survey - Terrorism: the solution by navin http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/survey-terrorism-the-solution/#comment-36393 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:28:43 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2008/08/09/survey-terrorism-the-solution/#comment-36393 I am much more direct: The person so bought into their belief structure that they are willing to harm for their own gain can not be reasoned with. Plice or military action is the only option. The child of the person who so believes will resent the police or military action and thus is a high risk person to society. Police, military, aggressive socialization are the only answers. The society that creates such persons will continue to make such persons so long as the ideological source survives. Education is the only answer to such superstition. If a moderate stands up today, the radical will stand up tomorrow. Radicalism must itself be destroyed. Education yet again. Economic development and political empowerment is what the Nazis had going for them. These are false constructs to develop a peace about. However, mutual investment makes military action less palatable. In this way, by making your enemy depend on your being alive, is highly effective (until s/he innovates a way around it). The development of the soul, through free minded questing, is the ultimate solution but the ultimate only applies to a few. The rest of us must attempt policy changes. hariaum I am much more direct:

The person so bought into their belief structure that they are willing to harm for their own gain can not be reasoned with. Plice or military action is the only option.

The child of the person who so believes will resent the police or military action and thus is a high risk person to society. Police, military, aggressive socialization are the only answers.

The society that creates such persons will continue to make such persons so long as the ideological source survives. Education is the only answer to such superstition.

If a moderate stands up today, the radical will stand up tomorrow. Radicalism must itself be destroyed. Education yet again.

Economic development and political empowerment is what the Nazis had going for them. These are false constructs to develop a peace about. However, mutual investment makes military action less palatable. In this way, by making your enemy depend on your being alive, is highly effective (until s/he innovates a way around it).

The development of the soul, through free minded questing, is the ultimate solution but the ultimate only applies to a few. The rest of us must attempt policy changes.

hariaum

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