First Hindu prayer in US disrupted by protesters
The first Hindu prayer to take place in a US Senate was disrupted by protestors, who shouted slogans such as “Lord Jesus, forgive us Father for allowing the prayer of the wicked which is an abomination in Your sight.”
The protestors were rightwing Christians who believed that the recital of a Hindu prayer in the US Senate boded badly for America. The police were forced to intervene and three arrests were made, namely those of…
August 20th, 2007 at 3:45 am
I just realized how ignorant can a religious group be, the Rishis was here before them and Christ was in India to study about the inner self, during the missing Link. Still they talk as if they where here first. It’s a petty they don’t understand the statement Christ made -the temples is within us. In Hinduism Many Gods resides within us in different stages (Chakras and nadis). I hope they will have an open mind to understand the prime of the Universe. Om…….
August 20th, 2007 at 3:45 am
Namaste All
I feel in this case any publicity is a good publicity. There was a time no one knew what is Hinduism. But now most Americans know that Hinduism is the main religion of India. It is associated with Yoga, thanks to Ramdevji and with law abiding citizens.
Americans also know how well educated, hard working and decent Hindus are.
The fact that the Christians are afraid of Hinduism, Hindu philosophy, is the proof that we are a force to be reconed with.
The Hindus of USA should take this opportunity to lobby Senators and other politicians, pointing out the achievement of American Hindus who hold some of the highest posts in commerce and industry.
Can you or readers of HV in USA please give us the email address of some of the USA Senators to whom we, the readers of Hindu Voice can lobby?
Hare Krishna
Bhupendra
August 20th, 2007 at 5:03 am
What Hindu Fanatics doing in India, same is doing by Christian fanatics in USA.
August 20th, 2007 at 1:41 pm
This incident should remind everyone that not all religions are the same (as many “universalists” would claim). Hindus can be a great educating force in stressing following one’s religion while respecting the religion of another. In this regard, Hindus should not be referred to as “Chaplains” which is a Christian term.
Rajan Zed’s prayer was very nice with an important point of clarification. Who is “he” in the sentence: “May he stimulate and illuminate our mind.” Hindus should not be using Christian terminology such as “God” and “Lord.” “He” is a term that does not suit the Hindu understanding of Divinity. As well as an Absolute “no-thing-ness,” Hindus believe in the Spiritual force of Light/Energy and Bliss/Love (Satchidananda). This force takes on innumerable forms male and female. To promote a “He” as the Supreme is to fall into the patriarchal Monotheistic mindset.
August 20th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
Namaste all
With friends like Prathiba, who needs an enemy?
Bhupendra
August 20th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
“What Hindu Fanatics doing in India, same is doing by Christian fanatics in USA.”
Would be interesting to see you furnish examples to prove this equal equal game you are playing, we are not interested in your personal rants without evidence.
August 20th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
Dear Sir,
The only true Hindu of the west died on the cross! Just as he said, “Father, forgive them as they do not know what they do”, as he was being cricified, we should forgive them and ask them to return to the true path of their founder which is path of Sanatana Dharma.
It is time that we wake up and give the poor souls who are pathetically living in a world of devils, repentance and redemption, an opportunity to get out of their sad situation and learn about truth.
Their screaming is only a sign of frustration that Sanatana Dharma is showing the world the way and they have to purchase souls.
Give them an opportunity to vent their frustrations and then we will show them the way.
Regards,
V.C.krishnan
August 21st, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Krishnan says: “The only true Hindu of the west died on a cross!” What in the world are you talking about?
August 21st, 2007 at 8:45 pm
This is after all a society who love to use the (mispronounced) terms ‘karma’ , ‘dharma’ and ‘kismet’ but may never stop to educate themselves about the source.
Who cares. Let them protest in their laughably ignorant ways and arguments. I once met some fundamentalist christians at Uni through a friend, and their utter inability to tolerate any form of debate about the nature of God other than their own beliefs frankly scared me.
No hindu should have to stoop to explain/defend their faith in any so called multi-cultural society.
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:50 am
Sw Param is very concerned about using the term “He” etc. But then may be he forgets that the prayer was at a location where virtually none knew Sanskrit or the only common communicable language was English.
Again, is it not better to start off with something - even if it is not fully correct? At least a beginning gives every one an opportunity to as questions and then the one who knows the answer can always reply. This way a discussion takes place and any discussion is educative.
And Veda and Vedanta teaches us something step by step, and what we are told initially is later told to be dropped - after our understanding. That is process of learning and growth.
So we need to encourage to read, listen, discuss…we can always learn from mistakes…and mistakes can take place only when there is some action.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:24 am
F**k those b**tards, sons of b***hes, what more to say. I am very arrogant in this issue, i cannot control my emotions.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:08 am
God is almighty. Who says he/she/it has to be singular. His facets are many and if one worships this many faceted being He will appear as many Gods. As in Hinduism.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:07 am
its ok to attack inocent christians who speak about the bible and spread the word of jesus yet you hindus get angry about something like what happened in the US senate, you ppl should be kicked out of america and europe. We let you ppl bring your religion here yet when we bring christianity to india you ppl cry for the fact you guys can’t worship the cow or the rat anymore.
August 24th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
european you mean you bring your religion like this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/953200.stm
Everyone knows that Christians have been terrorising Hindus in the North East of India where they have gained a majority.
Your shameless Pope never even apologised to Hindus for the Goan Inquisition.
You are not doing us any favours claiming to let us in, we came here legally and you christians invaded and genocided all the native americans in the first place, so if anything, you should be kicked back to Europe too.
Your people colonised us and persecuted us.
We Hindus were the one’s that gave shelter to the syrian christian refugees in Kerala in 3rd century when other xtians were persecuting them.
go sc**w yourself, if anything christianity is dead in europe and good riddance i should say, great to see sensible Europeans going back to their pagan roots or becoming atheists/agnostics or whatever they choose to be.
August 24th, 2007 at 5:42 pm
These Christian Fundos make me laugh when they try to act the innocent.First off all did the native Indians write the constitution of the US? Oh I see they were busy being hunted like animals or being put in a reservation camp far off somewher.So they didn’t have time to do anything else.European is another nutcase who doesn’t have a life and the only place where he can come is here on this site and try to make himself feel good by trying to put Hindus down.Unfortunately for him that cant happpen as we’ll be pulling the toilet flush on him so he’ll be going down where he came from..
August 24th, 2007 at 5:46 pm
Oh by the way, we are more than happy to “worship” cows and rats, at least it’s better than worshipping some dead man that his own community thought was born out of wedlock and giving ridiculous pretensions of being monotheistic with a 3 in 1 formula that no one understands.
August 24th, 2007 at 7:06 pm
of course we’re gonna expose your missionaries in india, they’re involved in demolishing temples and inspiring the ethnic cleansing of hindus in the north-east. Not to mention the hundreds of sex scandals they bring about, we really don’t want you to export your pedophilia to our country. thanks.
oh btw, at least we worship our own gods instead of some rotting corpse nailed to a piece of plywood.
August 24th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
These Christian Fundies are trying to move America into the Dark Ages. The want biblical creationism to be taught in science class and they believe that anyone who does’nt worship their dead, false-god jesus is evil or “lost”. Just because I refuse to worship a dead man should not make me less of an American!!! Many Christian Fundies are full of ignorance, arogance and stupidity. What is very scary though, is that Christian Fundies are trying hard to merge religion and politics to create a strict Christian nation. Non-believers would be cast out most likely. Hopefully, they will fail because Christianity has brought much suffering to this world (salvery, genocide, hampering scientific and moral progress, etc etc).
August 25th, 2007 at 10:55 am
“These Christian Fundies are trying to move America into the Dark Ages.”
And if they do then you can imagine what they’ll be doing if they ever got control.They’ll be burning innocent women at the stake by claiming they’re witches or destroying books that say the world is round because its written by the devil. They make the Jewish holocaust look like a picnic compared the genocides they done to the human race.It’s no wonder the western world has rejected this fascist religion and that’s why these christian missionaries are targeting India because their own countries don’t want them.Hindus have every right to kick them out of their countries and send them to the North pole where they can try to convert a few penguins.
August 25th, 2007 at 11:27 am
european - if you would like to know more about Christianity…pl visit Atheism vs Christianity….
you will learn a lot more
and then you will know the difference
there is one interesting discussion going on in that site about why there is a disproportion amongst the prisoners- why the is such a high percentage of prisoners from Christianity ?
there is no disease worse than poverty
there is no poverty worse than IGNORANCE.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:52 pm
God is dead.
Long live the gods.
August 29th, 2007 at 9:09 pm
I was going to respond the european, buts its all good everone has said what I was going to say! But generally in the west, you see people (uneducated) or even educated people (what a waste) like european who like to take cheap shots at Hindus abusing our dignity and maturity. Does European fail to realise that the religion of jesus is one of the mosts barbaric impositions on europe? I feel sorry for european, and generally other white christians, you people go to all lengths to defend some illiterate middle eastern man nailed to wood, you guys are probably the biggest sell out in the eyes of your Gods! At least us Hindus have survived the onslaught of christianity and islam, we are in retreospect the toughest people!
“you ppl should be kicked out of america and europe”, yet the native people in america, australia, and new zealand must resent your overtly barbaric invasion of their sacred land. (Sorry for repeating what others have said, but I am like most of you, sick and tired of idiots like european).
-Muski
August 30th, 2007 at 5:48 pm
I’ve been thinking that the correct term to hyphenate the “white american..white indian…” should really be the european american or the european indian or the european islamist… Europeans ignorance of history is the source of the world’s problems today - an ethnocentric, egocentric, man worshiping theology that disregards karma, moral consequence, and the transcendental and imminanent nature of the divine reality. Thus the european ancestory becomes the most lethal and harmful heritage of the world (though the communists of asia are trying hard to gain that title). Perhaps, if we were simplistic christians we would conclude that the european race bears the mark of cain.
But we must also be cautious of ego/ethnocentrism. Hinduism is great in part because it does not allow us to wallow in a pride of self or nation. It is not for our gain that we work but for the gain of the divine. When we work for our gain we become as evil as christo-islamic sects that are willing to kill, harm, self deceive so that they can get into heaven.
But truth must be expressed and I hope we are all trying to live truth and give love and bring peace into the world that is ready to exterminate life if left to the europeans and their students the muslims.
hariaum
September 1st, 2007 at 8:06 pm
how did christians sell out to god, by converting to christanity how are hindus toughest ppl ever when you ppl bin conquered by everyone who ever invaded india.
British christians destroyed burning the widow traditions which still continue in some parts of india today were you would take a widow and throw her in the fire with her huspand and creamate her alive
you hindus have done the worste crimes against the untouchable hindus
what type of religion has a caste system that holds one group higher then the other in gods eye.
September 1st, 2007 at 8:06 pm
why do hindus believe no one should convert to any religion or its considered selling out to god.
September 1st, 2007 at 9:09 pm
“how did christians sell out to god, by converting to christanity how are hindus toughest ppl ever when you ppl bin conquered by everyone who ever invaded india.”
read a bit of history you loser and then talk, if we were always defeated then tell us how we are still here long after greeks and romans are gone?
the original brits did not follow this dead jews cult, so you guys are losers who are following some cult from the middle east that persecuted your own ancestors haha.
“British christians destroyed burning the widow traditions which still continue in some parts of india today were you would take a widow and throw her in the fire with her huspand and creamate her alive”
more bs, before brits were anywhere near conquering India, the Peshwas already banned it you moron and don’t talk bs, most of the sati cases were voluntary as brit and muslim chronicles provide eye witness accounts.
your sick mindset is evident in statements like these, don’t act like the white christian man has some burden to discharge you loser.
go sort out your own lil pedo priests before you preach to us.
“you hindus have done the worste crimes against the untouchable hindus
what type of religion has a caste system that holds one group higher then the other in gods eye.”
oh and u xtians are so pure?
seems like you forgot when bible was used to justify inquisitions, slavery and colonialism.
what kinda sick religion preaches such things?
“why do hindus believe no one should convert to any religion or its considered selling out to god.”
we believe that converting to hate preaching cults like christianity, nazism, communism is bad.
it has nothing to do with god.
christianity is nothing but a tool for imperialism and conquest for kkk types like you to subdue nonwhites.
September 1st, 2007 at 9:12 pm
“how did christians sell out to god, by converting to christanity how are hindus toughest ppl ever when you ppl bin conquered by everyone who ever invaded india. ”
Yeh right we were conquered …not…and thats why we’re still hindus even upto this day.Just like the bible your mind is full of fiction.
“British christians destroyed burning the widow traditions which still continue in some parts of india today were you would take a widow and throw her in the fire with her huspand and creamate her alive”
Another fiction like the bible but as Hindus we believe in the truth and facts and we know very well that nearly a million women and children were burnt at the stake for being accused being witches by Christians.
“you hindus have done the worste crimes against the untouchable hindus”
Yeh right and even more fiction like the bible.Most Hindus are from the so called lower castes and they’re still staunch Hindus but lets see Christianitys track record from South America to Australia of extermination and genocides of Civilisations running up the more then 400 hundred million people.The Bible has caused more deaths then the Mein Kampf so it rightly needs to be banned.
“what type of religion has a caste system that holds one group higher then the other in gods eye. ”
Well this one area the the bible is not fiction because I’ll least give Christianty the credit for degrading , enslaving and killing most of humanity…
September 1st, 2007 at 9:15 pm
yes hindus are the toughest people and strongest people in the world ideologically. we have a spiritual tradition that has been continuous and strong for over 6000 years. we have fought off all the mlecchas, namely the greeks, hepthalites, muslims, british, portugese and others. while larger and stronger empires like the persians easily fell to arabs, we trounced them. you europeans all converted to christianity, an alien faith, by the year 1000. while we still pray to our great gods and perform all the ancient oblations to them.
no one has ever conquered us. they TRIED to conquer us and have always been beaten back.
christians have been the biggest terrorists in the world, bigger than even muslims. they managed to wipe out an entire continent of people (the americas) and followed terrorist/racist policies like Manifest Destiny, remember that? they enslaved black people, called them inferior, and carried out slave trade. they are responsible for atrocities on humanity like the Goan and Spanish Inquisition…not to mention people like Hitler and the holocaust of jews. they still contribute to terrorism in north east india and are responsible for ethnic cleansing of hindus there.
this website has a comprehensive list of atrocities committed by christians.
http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
hindus dont believe in racism and hatred, things that characterize religions of semitic origin. so we really dont view your religion as being valid.
September 2nd, 2007 at 2:31 am
tell me were in the bible it justify’s slavery, fake book and cult i think hinduism is more likely to be fake and a cult i mean how in the world do you guys believe in worshipping animals and trees.
Could you explain how hindus who convert and become christians and stop believing in hindu gods and believe in the one true god are still hindus
were in the bible is it justified what the europeans did
you and your hindu nationalist lies, was india conquered by every invader that invaded india the answer is yes tell me one country you hindus were able to defeat and keep from ruling your land
hindus outlasted greeks and romans in what way tell me because greeks and romans stopped believing in false gods that you consider it their down fall and while hindus continue to believe in 333 million gods you consdier that great but then again you hindus believe in all gods and all religions which is pretty funny, doesn’t your religous leaders say that all religions are hindus, that everyone is hindu because everyone believes in one god i wonder why ppl make fun of hinduism and call it a false religion.
But yes how are hindus the toughest ppl idealogy wise and physically well physically every invader has taken control parts or all of india never once have hindus successfully fought away invaders. But then explains why india only won one medal last olympics.
September 2nd, 2007 at 3:05 am
Its funny how people are judged on mere physical might. The lion may be physically stronger than man, yet man has tamed the lion, the elephant may be physically stronger than man, yet man uses it as a vehicle, the bear may be phyisically stronger than man, yet it is man that runs this universe. The christian and muslim may be physically strong, but we Hindus still have the upper hand so european whats your point? Ever read the history books thats states ” Hindus are the last surviving pagan religion in the world”. Neo-paganism is on the rise, so is Mayan spirituality in the Americas! As my friends have mentioned in their post, how can you talk about cruelty to untouchables when chruches practice racial discrimination? Also why dont we see any non-eurpean popes in the vatican in the roman catholics almost 2000 years of history? I mean central and south america has the largest population of catholics, who are racially mestizo’s and more staunch in their faith than the europeans? european, you are really wasting your time trying to argue with us, the Hindus will bury you with hard evidence that in the end all you will be able to say is nothing but stuttering bullshit! Oh wait a minute, your already doing that, my mistake!
-Muski
September 2nd, 2007 at 10:38 am
“tell me were in the bible it justify’s slavery, fake book and cult i think hinduism is more likely to be fake and a cult !
The whole bible is about giving a free hand to nutters to go enslave people in the name of rotting corpse on a cross”
“i mean how in the world do you guys believe in worshipping animals and trees”
I rather do that then worship a rotting corpse on a cross.
“were in the bible is it justified what the europeans did”
Well they did it and were inspired by Bible fiction.
“you and your hindu nationalist lies, was india conquered by every invader that invaded india the answer is yes tell me one country you hindus were able to defeat and keep from ruling your land”
Of course a thief will always accuse others of being thieves and that is the history of Christ-insanity for the last two thousand years.When you ever leave your rotting corpse on the cross cult then maybe you should check the facts why Hindus are still Hindus.
“hindus outlasted greeks and romans in what way tell me because greeks and romans stopped believing in false gods that you consider it their down fall ”
Yeh and we’re going to outlast the last follower of the rotting corpse on the cross cult and then theres some hope for the greeks and romans again as they already rejecting the rotting corpse on the cross cult better known as Christ-insanity..
“you hindus believe in all gods and all religions which is pretty funny, doesn’t your religous leaders say that all religions are hindus, that everyone is hindu because everyone believes in one god i wonder why ppl make fun of hinduism and call it a false religion.”
Nope mate we Hindus do not believe in all religions or any one god apart from Dharma which the rotting corpse on the cross cult has no place.
“But yes how are hindus the toughest ppl idealogy wise and physically well ”
Yes of course we are thanks
“every invader has taken control parts or all of india never once have hindus successfully fought away invaders. But then explains why india only won one medal last olympics.”
Yeh and where are those invaders then ? Well the reason we dont win too many medals at the olympics is because we feel sorry for you inbreds and so we let you win instead.
The truth is European is not white but thinks by joining the rotting corpse on the cross cult will automatically make him white but unfortunately thats not the case and just like his false rotting corpse on the cross cult which most Europeans have rejected will end up as rotting corpse as thats Christ-insanity for you..RIP
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:41 pm
i guess european hasn’t heard of paul sending back the escaped slave with a letter, check Timothy 6:1 you idiot before you come on here and spew nonsense.
Or how about this:
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ, not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart.”
—Ephesians 6:5-6.
lol this guy wants to ignore the fact that the Bible was used to justify racism.
here is what the “babble” says
Romans and Greeks worshipped “false” gods, hmm i wonder why then since europe took the to dead corpse nailed to a plywood cult it was all downhill and ended up in dark ages with muslims ruling over you, you guys even stopped bathing until you saw us Hindus.
everyone believes in “one” god, last time i checked many europeans were atheists/agnostics and thing christianity is nothing but nonsense.
“”If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;” (Deuteronomy 13: 6)
“Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.” (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)”
clearly the native americans were “unbelievers”, if “god” supposedly commanded for people to kill their own family members since they did not believe in this tyrant then it does not take much to see how the europeans justified their own genocide of native people and colonialism.
as i said christianity is nothing but a tool for imperialism, a religion that has caused some of the biggest genocides in history and produced hate mongers like Martin Luther who wrote the pamphlet “The Jews and their lies” which was to be later used by the Nazis for their own propaganda.
September 2nd, 2007 at 1:08 pm
the bible clearly states that slavery is acceptable:
“However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way” (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
“Could you explain how hindus who convert and become christians and stop believing in hindu gods and believe in the one true god are still hindus”
who said that?
“were in the bible is it justified what the europeans did”
already answered.
“you and your hindu nationalist lies, was india conquered by every invader that invaded india the answer is yes tell me one country you hindus were able to defeat and keep from ruling your land”
1. Chandragupta Maurya and later Pushyamitra crushed and expelled the Greeks.
2. Chandragupta Vikramaditya defeated and repelled Shakas/Kushans.
3. Yashodharma conquered and defeated the White Huns.
4. Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj defeated Aurangzeb which marked the end of Mughal rule in India.
5. The end of British rule in India
6. The end of Portugese rule in India
Hindus have also conquered outside of India:
1. Emperor Lalitaditya - conquered large swathes of Central Asia
2. Rajendra Chola - Conquered Burma, the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, Lakshadweep, Maldives, conquered the kings of Srivijaya (Sumatra, Java and Malaya in South East Asia) and Pegu islands with his fleet of ships. He also exacted tribute from Thailand and the Khmer kingdom of Cambodia.
3. Raja Raja Chola conquered island-nation of Sri Lanka.
Chola territories:
http://www.encyclopedie-enligne.com/Images/c/carte_chola.png
“hindus outlasted greeks and romans in what way tell me because greeks and romans stopped believing in false gods that you consider it their down fall and while hindus continue to believe in 333 million gods you consdier that great but then again you hindus believe in all gods and all religions which is pretty funny, doesn’t your religous leaders say that all religions are hindus, that everyone is hindu because everyone believes in one god i wonder why ppl make fun of hinduism and call it a false religion.”
well you just explained to the whole world, the mindset of christianity which isn’t much different from that of Islam. that is to christianize the whole world at the expense of other people, cultures, religions, and traditions. greeks didn’t believe in false gods. how do you know they believed in false gods, because your babble says so? no wonder greeks are looking to turn back to their original and true faiths and your clergymen are getting their panties in a bunch because of it. lol.
they never just stopped believing, they ceased to believe because their temples were demolished and many were persecuted for practicing their ancestral religion. another christian lie is that people just stopped believing in their faiths and converted immediately to jesusism.
” * As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
* Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
* Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
* Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as “temple destroyer.” [DA468]
* Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
* Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
According to Christian chroniclers he “followed meticulously all Christian teachings…”
* In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
* In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
* The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
[DO19-25] ”
“But yes how are hindus the toughest ppl idealogy wise and physically well physically every invader has taken control parts or all of india never once have hindus successfully fought away invaders. But then explains why india only won one medal last olympics. ”
The fact that the Vedas have been orally transmitted for 6000 years is a testament enough for the resilience and strength of Hinduism. We have survived and beaten back every single invader. Yea, thanks for providing me with the opportunity to make you look like even more of an idiot. In terms of physical culture, ancient India was par excellence. The sport of bodybuilding emerged in India, the ancient Hindu martial arts were transmitted to the East by Bodhidharma. Many of today’s east asian martial arts are of Indian origin. Hindu society reeks of physical culture, it ain’t my fault that you’re dumb. As for Olympics, India is a developing country and doesn’t have money to fund athletes. China was in the same position a few years ago, and the last Olympics the were at the top in terms of medal tally. We will get there.
September 3rd, 2007 at 9:26 am
This must be what european gets upto when he’s not busy coming on HV.
Pastor had sex with daughters
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AdvertisementA fundamentalist church pastor had sex with two of his teenage daughters to educate them on how to be good wives, a South Australian court has heard.
The 54-year-old man, who cannot be named, was today sentenced in the SA District Court to eight and a half years jail after pleading guilty to seven counts each of incest and unlawful sexual intercourse.
The court heard that the man had sex with his daughters for nearly a decade from 1991 when they were aged 13 and 15 at the family property.
The sex took place at various locations including in a shearer’s shed, a paddock, on the back of a ute and, on one occasion, at the girls’ grandparents house.
The man told the court the sex was not about fulfilling his desires but about teaching his daughters how to behave for their husbands when they eventually married, as dictated in scripture.
In sentencing, Judge David Lovell said the misrepresentation of scripture used to justify the abuse of the girls “defied belief”, and that he had “hypocritically betrayed” his religion and principles.
“You said the acts were about learning about sex rather than engaging in the acts of sex,” Judge Lovell said.
“I do not accept that.
“You treated your daughters as your property … using them to satisfy and gratify your sexual urges.”
Judge Lovell gave full credit for the man’s guilty pleas, saying he was genuinely remorseful and had a good chance of rehabilitation as his wife and the church remained supportive.
The man will be eligible for parole in four years.
AAP
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/pastor-had-sex-with-daughters/2007/08/30/1188067266454.html
September 4th, 2007 at 8:57 am
because most of the world learned they were worshipping fake gods doesn’t make hindus special
it doesn’t mean you guys outlasted anyone just means you guys havn’t woken up yet that your 333 million gods are fake
reasion christians don’t believe in other gods because you cant
you hindus brag about how hinduism believes all religions lead to one god sad thing is that is imposible because every religion believes in a different god that conterdicts the god the other religion believes in for example muslims and christians believe in different gods that conterdict eachother.
Do you guys believe hinduism is the only religion to god or do you believe all religions lead to god.
Hinduism caste system were untochables are treated worste then rats yet their are animals who are treated like this
ok about muski talking about how lions and elephants are stronger then men yet the man controls the lion and elephant and you claim christians are lions and hindus are man then why is it christians ruled over you for 200 years and why is it portagees came and ruled over many of your ppl and why is it most hindus are living uncer the poverty line and are uneducated and just barely surviving in india why does india have the highest aids in the world
as well hindus have bin conquered by every invader that invaded them either all of india was conquered or parts and india never ruled any other country outside india and thats a fact could you get me a reliable source that claims india ruled any other country and get me facts about india defeating any invader because now your just showing me your little hindu nationalist jokes like how hindu nationalist claim all civilization started in india and spread around the world.
Sports china always won medals and why are some of the south american countrys and african countrys who developing winning medals and buddy india has 300 million middle and upper class and you guys still can’t win medals maybe thats why every invader has defeated the hindus and ruled parts of your land honeslty tell me one invader you guys stopped i mean greeks came and defeated your army’s and ruled parts of your land same with persians same with portageese and same with the british and same with the turks all these ppl invaded and conquered parts or all of your land whwere were your hindu gods then to protect you and save you
September 4th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
I am amazed there are still many people in the world who believe in the British version of Hindu religion despite hundreds of books written by Hindu Indians, hundreds of new temples and programs on radio and television. Brits must have done a good brainwashing job during the Raj.
Instilling wrong ideas about Hinduism still persists in schools and colleges in India. What struck me most during my recent visit to India was the deliberate hatred of Hinduism, Brahmins and its cultural context regularly being slowly instilled in the minds of the poor villagers, students in Convent schools through propaganda. The normal anti-Hinduism propaganda is; the religion has 300 millions of Gods and not one God like Christianity and idols cannot be Gods, there is caste system, practice of sati, and worst of all Hinduism is dirty.
Because of English language used for communication internationally, in big cities parents have opted for their children learning in English by joining Convent schools. The students are enticed to Church programs and all is done so systematically that even during Hindu festivals the Convent schools have special activities in order to keep the students away from their Hindu parents and main stream festivities. Many parents I talked to were afraid of their children not achieving good grades if such extra curricular activities are not attended. One girl of highly educated and middle class family told me that girl who sits next to her in the class always scores high marks for sub-standard home work and in exams because she is a Christian convert. Of course this kind of discrimination is difficult to prove or challenge. And the principal of the same school (a Goan Catholic) demands donation of minimum two lakhs of Rupees from non-Christian parents before admitting their child to his school. These are the facts about organised religions. Personally, I think the education system in India is a scandal. And whose fault is that, you may ask, my analysis is it is not just the corrupt Ministers, it is the intellectuals of India.
September 4th, 2007 at 4:13 pm
lol “fake gods”, the biggest fake god is that dead corpse on a piece of plywood that you losers keep worshipping.
don’t tell me you believe in one god cuz jews and muslims spit on you and your pretensions of monotheism with that ridiculous doctrine of trinity that no one understands.
lol whoever told you that Hinduism says all things lead to god, clearly cults like xtianity, nazism and communism can’t.
 india has a billion people, % wise the oh so christian south africa has the worst rate, oops did i forget to mention that the afrikaans church used the bible to justify apartheid, shows you what kinda cult you are following.
 learn some history, before 1947 there was no one single political entity called India but everyone knows that Cholas conquered Srilanka, that in itself should expose your ignorance.
now please tell us what’s so true about a religion that:
1) justifies slavery
2) massacre of non believers
3) plunged europe into dark ages
4) justifies racism
5) produces hate mongers like martin luther and francis xavier
6) caused the largest genocides this world has seen
7) was used to justify colonialism
lol you keep claiming the rest of the world woke up, but the reality is more than 5 billion people in this world don’t believe in the christ cult, you may imagine some sort of kinship with muslims and jews but they spit on you and your pretensions of monotheism, buddhists don’t care about your dead “saviour”, so which world you live in mate?
last time I checked even most Europeans are just nominal christians and a substantial portion have already left behind your “religion” as some sort of irrational cult, many have become atheists/agnostics or pagans or taken up eastern religions, so keep deluding yourself but christinsanity is heading down the toilet in europe and you can’t do nothing to stop it except cry on the net.
September 4th, 2007 at 5:47 pm
European will you enjoy a heaven populated by Constatine, the popes, Hitler, Abraham (who raped his slave to have a child), the families of the european dynasties that as ceremony for chirstian knighthood raped serfs who have less rights than the romans or the untouchables?
European, if you are serious about seeking god, then turn away from your own ego. Then you must look at what you mean by god. If it is the bible you think defines god, so be it. But look at Jesus’s answer as to how to judge fals prophets: judge a tree by its fruit. When chirstianity was in control of europe, it was a hell for anyone with any independent will.
But I ask you also look at what is evil. I would suggest that evil is the encouragement of immoral behavior - the greatest ideological basis for acting immorally is a reward and the greatest reward is entry to heaven. Thus if you gaurantee entry to heaven for group membership, your ideology creates, is the foundation for, evil. Non-muslims can see this in islamic fanatacism. Non-chistians can see this in christian fanatacism. It is the ideology of a chritso-islamic church, even the basic reason to join such, that sins are forgiven and entry to heaven gauranteed to sinners; ergo there is no consequence to sinning and sin increases. If you want to believe in this akarmic viewpoint, you are a rakshas.
So if you will look at what in your heart is good, you will realize it has nothing to do with the name of your god, the book you read, or the the culture you come from. That goodness is a basic truth of your atman. So long as you reject that connection between you and the divine, you will be lost and seek rationalization in the chritso-islamic inconsequentialism.
Certainly hindus reject that at times like all humans but when anyone is serious about Brahman as Truth, Awareness, and Bliss they have become hindu. When you are playing at telling god his name must be jesus or allah or whatever it is your ego, not the truth you worship. stop it.
hariaum
September 4th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
I also have for some time thought that we are too liberal in the western context of secularism. We believe that the fundamentalist fail to grasp the true meaning of their religion and thus act badly as does european.
I think otherwise. The fundementalist is the person who grasps the religion. To say one is a christian but for the endorsement of ceaser, slavery, the history, etc is not very meaningful. To say one is muslim but for the multiple wives, the destruction of women’s rights, etc is likewise. The moderate believes in religions “but for.” A devotee believes a religion regardless.
That is not to say a moderate is wrong. For example, most mature religions, like the Gita says you must seek the truth regardless but act with regard to the natural forces around you. Thus a fundamentalist Hindu does karma to make the world better, selflessly. A fundamentalist christo-islmist does karma to make theirself better (ticket to heaven) and in doing so harms the world. When we speak of the good christo-islamist, we must understand that these same persons are rejected by their traditions and thus we should not be using Pasteur, Darwin, the various thersa’s, Fran cisco as examples of christians but as good humans that have rejected the fundamentals that make the christo-islamic sects evil - exclusion, arrogance, mono-thinking, gauranteed heaven…
(in case you don’t agree, wonder what would christianity be if the suffering of jesus did not set aside all sins - a savior, sort of? thus a savior absolute give Hitler entree into heaven and rejects Gandhi - an ideology of evil. You also note that europeans idea of a successful religion is sports and guns both of which can be bought like a commodity and are best purchased by stealing someonelse’s wealth - the history of christianity in theology and materialism. You’ll also imagine european thinks he is a godly person for attacking without insight - regurgitating what s/he’s been told to mono-think. This, my open hearted friends, is the true name of their god, the worship of man and the worship of self.)
hariaum
September 4th, 2007 at 6:34 pm
Harish you are absolutely right.
One can add a few more points to your lisit. People forget in Bible, ‘thou shalt not kill’ only applies to killing of humans, it says nothing about protecting animals. So killing elephants, tigers etc. in India was alright. Again ‘love thy neighbour’ only applies to your immediate neighbour, it dosen’t apply to your neighbouring country, so ransacking and looting other country was alright. Let us not talk about ‘thou shalt not commit adultary’ is a joke when 62% couples in Britain alone end up in devorce. And why adultarers like Bill Clinton, John Major, Edvina Curry, many priests, Bishops, and many do-gooders have not been stoned to death as comanded by Bible? Mind you all this also applies to Islam.
You are right about worshipping of corpses. Vedas do not recommend worshipping of dead bodies.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
what a joker this guy is, i think madness has enveloped around what’s left of his brain.
here we go…Â
“because most of the world learned they were worshipping fake gods doesn’t make hindus special”
actually, most of the world was forced into worshipping the so called real “God” through coercion and oppression, the god of isreal and that’s why most are reverting back to their original pre-semitic faiths. That’s why greeks are going back to worshipping at their pagan temples and Christian clergymen are getting so nervous and scared about it. Atheism is now at an all time high in Europe, northern Europe, france etc are whole-heartedly atheist. The only biblie believers are now hicks in the bible belt of America and idiots like you.
“it doesn’t mean you guys outlasted anyone just means you guys havn’t woken up yet that your 333 million gods are fake”
we have outlasted and defeated everyone, and you dumb stupid ass, there aren’t 333 million gods.
“reasion christians don’t believe in other gods because you cant”
yea because the god of isreal is a jealous entity who demands complete submission.
“you hindus brag about how hinduism believes all religions lead to one god sad thing is that is imposible because every religion believes in a different god that conterdicts the god the other religion believes in for example muslims and christians believe in different gods that conterdict eachother.”
Why do you keep repeating lies, please quote us a passage from Vedic literature that says this.
“Do you guys believe hinduism is the only religion to god or do you believe all religions lead to god.”
Nazi type, anti-human religions like Christianity and islam which have caused so much suffering and pain in this world aren’t religions.
“Hinduism caste system were untochables are treated worste then rats yet their are animals who are treated like this.”
Hahahhaha, evidence please. Btw, you still haven’t gotten back to me on Christian slavery. Greek travelers like megasthenes noted that slavery and oppression was non-existant in India.
“why is it christians ruled over you for 200 years and why is it portagees came and ruled over many of your ppl”
Christians naturally want to conquer and subjugate other people, so their instincts took over. That’s why they launched atrocities like the goan inquisition upon hindus, in which thousands of hindus were killed for no reason other than the fact that they were hindu. Please explain this.
“and why is it most hindus are living uncer the poverty line and are uneducated and just barely surviving in india why does india have the highest aids in the world”
why is that India was the richest country in the world for thousands of years?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_GDP_%28PPP%29
why is it that they got poor after coming under brit rule?
“as well hindus have bin conquered by every invader that invaded them either all of india was conquered or parts and india never ruled any other country outside india and thats a fact could you get me a reliable source that claims india ruled any other country and get me facts about india defeating any invader because now your just showing me your little hindu nationalist jokes like how hindu nationalist claim all civilization started in india and spread around the world.”
You’re an idiot. Everyone knows how the cholas conquered most of south-east asia, why do you think temples like Angkor wat exist in Cambodia? You think jesus put it there? Take every name I posted and look it up on wikipedia you dumb moron.
When large empires like Persia which was the strongest, got overrun by arabs, hindus defeated and withstood their attacks. Hindus even gave refuge to displaced people like Zoroastrians. So, since spain got conquered by muslims, does that mean catholics are weak? You’re a moron.
btw, i know you’re not european but indian xtian posing to be european.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:23 am
“ok about muski talking about how lions and elephants are stronger then men yet the man controls the lion and elephant and you claim christians are lions and hindus are man then why is it christians ruled over you for 200 years and why is it portagees came and ruled over many of your ppl and why is it most hindus are living uncer the poverty line and are uneducated and just barely surviving in india why does india have the highest aids in the world”
Its really simple to explain, the lion invades the villiage, and being the absolute brute due to the nature of the lion, the man goes into hiding, until the time comes where man uses his brain to subdue the lion! Sure the portuguese came and tried to rule goa (a small region)