British Hindu organisations protest situation of Malaysian Hindus
British Hindu organisations have taken up the challenge of bringing international attention to problems that Hindus face in Malaysia, including the demolition of many Hindu temples and the awkward situation which the Shariah court puts Hindus in, illustrated by the stories of Maniam Moorthy and Revathi Massosai.
August 19th, 2007 at 11:54 pm
I am extremely grateful that HHR has voiced its concerns on this issue, and that British Hindus have taken to the streets in protest. We are grateful to those people.
Malaysia is definately slipping and we require governments and human rights groups to recognise it and take action.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:01 am
From Hindu Council UK.
NOTICE
Hindu Human Rights group has organised a protest at the Malaysian Embassy on 31 Aug. Friday at 1.30pm - Belgrave Sq. SW1 (Tube Hyde Park Corner). HCUK requests all Hindus to go and give their support in solidarity please as Hindu minorities are now starting to come under threat in certain provinces where “lite talibanisation” is taking root.
Note : Hindu Council UK is a national network of the Hindu temple bodies and cultural organisations co-ordinating all different schools of Hindu theology within the UK
HCUK Admin Office: Boardman House, 64 The Broadway, London E15 1NG. T: 020 8432 0400 W: www.hinducounciluk.org F: 020 8432 0393
August 21st, 2007 at 6:30 am
My heartfelt thanks to those our grateful brothers and sisters who took part in the protest and the HHR concerns on this issue, and their action taken to protest and protect the minority Indians in Malaysia.
We, Hindus are already in not tolerable level of discrimination in all categories and very much required human rights groups involvement to stop it.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:13 am
I hope all the Hindus in UK who read HV make an effort at least to show up at the protest, don’t worry there will be no earthquakes or destruction of this world if any of you miss a single episode of “Indian Idol” because of this protest.
And to Hindus who will show up, my thanks in advance for showing that not all Hindus are pakora gassing talkers.
August 26th, 2007 at 6:41 pm
The plight of Revathi and all other Hindus who suffer oppression from islam is finally gaining some media coverage.
We Hindus must make the most of these few opportunities and turn up in great numbers so that the British media takes notice. I will be there and hope that all you readers will attend. It is your duty, especially if you live in England.
August 31st, 2007 at 9:02 am
THANKS FOR THE HELP. We in Malaysia find it difficult to organise peacefull
protests of any kind in this police state of Malaysia. The muslim dominated govt. and state agencies influenced by the local TALIBANS are out to destroy and mutilate the Hindu religion and culture . They dont even want to have a inter-religious discussion, imagine this is a direct order of the prime minister of ‘’ THE UNDEMOCRATIC TALIBAN INFESTED MALAYSIA'’
THANKS
September 1st, 2007 at 11:54 am
I was at the protest yesterday and was very dissapointed with the small crowd that have managed to gather. Apart from the organisers, the crowd consisted mainly of elderly people and young girls who tried their best to make up for the shortage of Hindus. Crowd control consisted of two docile police officers who spent the afternoon looking up into the sky and day dreaming.
I spoke to various people there and noticed a strong trend amongst their comments. All of the protestors I spoke to said that the problem with British Hindus is a lack of unity and leadership - nobody wants to take responsibility as long as the problem is not within their own household. Most of us do care but we hope that someone else will do something about it. Instead we prefer to make our contribution with the odd comment on websites like these and believe that we have done ‘our bit’ for our community.
Compare this to a muslim demonstration where the numbers will always be strong and the loud voice will be heard across Britain. At these protests, the number of police officers will be almost as many as the protestors and everyone will be on their guard. Traffic is always halted and the british media will air these on national TV.
All British Hindus based in and around London who knew about this protest but did not attend are responsible for the mutilation and destruction of Hindu Dharma in Malaysia. SHAME ON YOU!
September 1st, 2007 at 7:10 pm
“All British Hindus based in and around London who knew about this protest but did not attend are responsible for the mutilation and destruction of Hindu Dharma in Malaysia. SHAME ON YOU!”
I agree to some extent but still after participating in many other HHR protests least we’re seeing more younger Hindus getting involved especially Hindus girls in HHR campaigns which I think to most Hindus like myself is positive sign but the protests done by other groups hardly have any younger people turning up apart from some elderly people .So overall least the second generation of Hindus are slowly taken over at last..
September 1st, 2007 at 7:43 pm
‘Apart from the organisers, the crowd consisted mainly of elderly people and young girls who tried their best to make up for the shortage of Hindus.’
Rohid I find your statement demeaning as I was one of the girls present there.You guys often complain that Hindu girls are running off with Muslims or others but when they turn up and take part in Hindu protests then it seems like they’re useless trying to make up for the shortage of Hindus.Like Shakti said it was a positive protest overall especially with more girls present then guys.
Jai Bhavani !
September 1st, 2007 at 9:31 pm
Rohid wrote: ‘I spoke to various people there and noticed a strong trend amongst their comments. All of the protestors I spoke to said that the problem with British Hindus is a lack of unity and leadership -’
Excuse me mate, I don’t remember talking to you and I was also one of the girls present there. It is a start as far as I am concerned. I am sick of depressed morons who winge and moan non stop.
Also as for the remarks on Muslim protests - yes I do agree that they often do turn out in huge crowds compared to the Hindus. But did you ever think that Muslims are busy sponging off the dole system while Hindus are busy maintaining and sustaining the country’s economy??? While Muslims can come out in huge numbers any time of the day of the week because they choose to sponge off of the kaffir country’s system, for most Hindus its impossible. Rather than winge and moan try to see yesterday’s protest from a different angle.
Hindu girls are doing a great job and we need more with our campaigns in the future.
September 1st, 2007 at 9:37 pm
Rohid you sure you was even there.?You might have gone to the wrong protest on the otherside of the square where there was a small protest of about 10 people and 2 policemen.Anyway at the Hindu protest there were about 20 police there.About 4 near the crowd and the rest were in cars and vans down the road.And for a friday afternoon is was not a bad crowd either not too large and not too small either.I’ve been to other protests which only have about 5-8 people mostly OAPs and thats it but at least with this group there were plenty of youths there. Which is what we want ?
September 1st, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Dev,
I was there also and yes I agree the numbers were pretty good and that also for a busy Friday afternoon. Like I said, I do not remember ever talking to Rohid and anyone complaining about lack of Hindu unity here in the Uk.
In fact the atmosphere was very charged up similar of many protests that I have been to in the past.
September 1st, 2007 at 9:49 pm
African Hindu, I think Rohid was the guy with wig and with the rupert the bear trousers selling some book on Islam. Rohid can you confirm that ?
September 1st, 2007 at 9:57 pm
Oh yes, I remember now. Sorry Rohid, you wanted me to pay a fiver for your little green book. You see no business allowed at protests. Thats the policy I’m afraid.
September 3rd, 2007 at 6:19 am
Rohid, aren’t you the same guy at another Hindu forum who was complaining that very few Hindu women in the UK haven’t had a white boyfriend?
September 3rd, 2007 at 9:33 am
“While Muslims can come out in huge numbers any time of the day of the week because they choose to sponge off of the kaffir country’s system, for most Hindus its impossible. ”
I’ve passed a few muslim demonstrations and believe me they’re not always full of people. You’re probably confusing issues like the Danish cartoons and ones like that where there have been a lot of people turning up because of media coverage. The HHR Minneli shoe campaign had nearly a thousand people turning up and also had the media covering it. So it does depend on the issue and how it is reported. There was time when no Hindu use to turn up at any protest but now that’s starting to change as Hindus are getting more assertive about the issues that affect them.
September 3rd, 2007 at 4:01 pm
Am I the only one that read Rohids comment in a different way?…read what he wrote again, and you may see that rather than being derogetory with regards to women..he is actually saying how they tried their best to represent our people given the situation of there being very few demonstrators in the first place….
“Apart from the organisers, the crowd consisted mainly of elderly people and young girls who tried their best to make up for the shortage of Hindus.”
Surely this is a POSITIVE comment?…It would seem from his comments that Hindu women that attended should be congratulated for doing there part and as rohid put it..”trying their best to make up for the shortage of Hindus”…
I think this is a case of misinterpretation…
‘I spoke to various people there and noticed a strong trend amongst their comments. All of the protestors I spoke to said that the problem with British Hindus is a lack of unity and leadership -’
This was another comment that was quoted by someone on this forum…again…I dont see how he managed to offend…he is merely pointing out something that we all know…that Hindus in the UK lack unity.
September 3rd, 2007 at 4:38 pm
Rohid you should stivk to reading Jung.
September 3rd, 2007 at 4:47 pm
Kamini said:
” Rohid I find your statement demeaning as I was one of the girls present there.”
Kamini, you misunderstand - my comments were actually complimenting the Hindu women who turned up and made up for the shortfall of Hindu guys.
African Hindu said:
“I am sick of depressed morons who winge and moan non stop.”
I am not the type to moan, nor am I a moron. My last comments were intended to those who actually do moan, but do nothing about it when the opportunity arises (like the protest). With the above comments, what have you done different?
Dev said:
” African Hindu, I think Rohid was the guy with wig and with the rupert the bear trousers selling some book on Islam. Rohid can you confirm that ?”
You mean to say that you allowed someone to come to a Hindu demonstration to sell books on islam?
African Hindu said:
” Oh yes, I remember now. Sorry Rohid, you wanted me to pay a fiver for your little green book. You see no business allowed at protests. Thats the policy I’m afraid”
The above comments confirm my statment that there is a lack of unity amongst Hindus - just because you don’t agree with my comments, you decided to use a demeaning method to make your argument. What do you hope to achieve by putting down a fellow Hindu who had a go at his people for not turning up to help with our cause?
Prashman said:
” Rohid, aren’t you the same guy at another Hindu forum who was complaining that very few Hindu women in the UK haven’t had a white boyfriend? ”
What ‘other’ forum are you referring to? What point are you trying to make?
Preshman, were you at the protest?
African Hindu said:
” But did you ever think that Muslims are busy sponging off the dole system while Hindus are busy maintaining and sustaining the country’s economy??”
The above further confirms my comments that Hindus prefer to look after their own household at the expense of their Dharma. I tend to think that my Dharma is more important than the maintanance of the British economy. Accordingly, I took time off my busy work schedule to support my people. If you were there, you have probably done the same and I have no argument with you. My argument is with those who call themselves Hindus, yet they do very little for our cause.
September 3rd, 2007 at 5:21 pm
The people who are criticising Rohid are going way over the top, especially this stuff about selling the ‘green book’ at the protest - that really is quite pathetic. The people getting all defensive is not going to do any good - fact is at least this guy made an effort to turn up…
September 3rd, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Hm..seems like more than a few apologies are due…!
September 3rd, 2007 at 7:07 pm
“The people getting all defensive is not going to do any good - fact is at least this guy made an effort to turn up… ”
Yeh true and my apologies to Rohid.My point was that how bad a situtation may seem but sometimes even if there’s one Hindu or a million Hindus present but at least the Hindu spirit is alive and that is always the most important element which eventually will turn the tables around for us.So sometimes its important to keep our heads high and continue with the work.I did talk to some of the organisers about the turn up and they did say that you can’t really predict the turn out but the protest is usually a small but still important part of the campaign strategy as the work continues way after everyday 24/7 and nothing stops till we get some results so we dont measure everything by people turning up or not as the work around the protest still continues.And in the case of the Malaysian issue the media had contacted the Hindu groups about the issue and somethings going on in that direction now.So there you are the effects do happen either sooner or later.
September 3rd, 2007 at 7:31 pm
Rohid, Just to confirm but there was this wig wearing rupert the bear type of character there with an old happy shoppers bag half full of bad photo copy job booklets highlighling verses of the koran that condemn kafirs to death.I’ve often seen this rupert the bear geezer at many other protests and events so I just thought he could have been you but it seems it weren’t .. Could he be really be Dangerous then ?
September 4th, 2007 at 9:14 am
db8 and Dangerous, thank you for thinking outside of the box - had it not been for your input, this conversation would have stooped to a low level.
Dev said:
” Rohid, Just to confirm but there was this wig wearing rupert the bear type of character there with an old happy shoppers bag half full of bad photo copy job booklets highlighling verses of the koran that condemn kafirs to death”
Firstly Dev, you don’t need to apologise to me. I am not morally superior to you. Infact, I am very happy to be the same as you.
Secondly, I now recall speaking to the man you refer to as the ‘Ruper Bear Geezer’. He is retired and spends a lot of his time supporting the Hindu cause. He has created various booklets and pamphlets, as well as a ‘green book’ using his small pension income, in order to highlight the atrocities committed by islamic fundamentalists. I am honoured to have such a dedicated man supporting our casue and am disappointed that you choose to ridicule him.
African Hindu said:
” Oh yes, I remember now. Sorry Rohid, you wanted me to pay a fiver for your little green book. You see no business allowed at protests. Thats the policy I’m afraid”
African Hindu, I take it you are talking about the same man I described above? If so, he wasn’t handing out any copies of the ‘green book’ since he had brought only a single copy with him, and he certainly wasn’t selling any. He was merely collecting some protestors’ e-mail addresses so that he can arrange for us to receive a (free) copy. African Hindu, your above comments are misleading and demeaning and I hope you will refrain from ridiculing fellow Hindus in the future.
Dips Adedra said:
” Rohid you should stivk to reading Jung.”
Dips Adedra, I am flattered that you remembered my mentioning of Carl Jung in a different debate. But surely you are not encouraging me to stop supporting the Hindu Renaissance, and instead ’stick with reading Jung’?
Since we are talking about psychology, here is a psychological fact:
When it comes to motivation, there are two types of people - the first who get motivated towards a goal and the second who get motivated away from a potential negative outcome. You can motivate the first group by pointing out the fact that their hard work and dedication will reap the rewards they desire. You can only motivate the second group by pointing out to the possible consequences of failing to dedicate themselves to a particular task. I belong to the first group and am motivated by the fact that my support for the Hindu community will result in the revival of Sanatana Dharma. My post on 01/09 was aimed at people who belong to the second group.
September 4th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
“I am honoured to have such a dedicated man supporting our casue and am disappointed that you choose to ridicule him.”
Hmmm.On many occasions I’ve come across the Rupert the bear geezer and he has many times tried to push not only in my hands but many others his leaflets then ask for money.Even when it comes to the cause you find some Hindus trying to make money.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:42 pm
Congrats to the protestors. We are united by our desire to improve the freedoms of all humans and, from the viewpoint of this is the battle given to us by nature, particularly hindus being oppressed. This is something that will grow and blossom to a greater force overtime. Do not be disheartened and thereby lash out at our own.
African Hindu is also quite correct. It is at times important to be dramatic and pound at our chests - as Ganshi would say - to draw a response. It is also harder, though, to work for institutional changes by building society - helping in the solution not just pointing out the problems. This is a true faith of action done with insight as to the nature of reality.
Of course, we must pound our chest when we must, ‘Arjuna, pick up your bow and fight.’ Our bow and arrow are truth and love. May they strike throughout the thrilok.
hariaum
September 5th, 2007 at 9:25 am
Dev said:
” Hmmm.On many occasions I’ve come across the Rupert the bear geezer and he has many times tried to push not only in my hands but many others his leaflets then ask for money”
Dev, I have received two (free) articles from him at the protest in exchange for a promise that I would read them. Also, the protestors who gave him their e-mail addresses have received an e-mail with the (free) ‘green book’ as an attachement. In his e-mail he clearly encourages us to circulate this amongst our friends. I’m happy to forward the original e-mail to you on request.
Had he requested money in exchange for a hard copy of the book, I would have happily given it to him. After all, he is a pensioner who is creating these documents from his pension income.
Dev, please stop referring to him as ‘Rupert Bear’. He is an elderly man and a fellow Hindu, who does his best to support the community.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:29 am
I find it very interesting that I’m being discussed. My main aim is to educate people about the dangers of Islamic ideology and if I make some small profit on the side then what’s wrong with that ? Even though I flew in my magic car I still had to pay the congestion charge and then later on got a parking ticket. So a bit of cash from my fellow Hindus for my efforts should not be seen as exploiting the situation especially after my cartoons and comics are no longer that popular.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:03 am
The protest did make a difference..
Suit filed against UK? Government, 7.9.07
http://www.easterneyeuk.co.uk/
HINDUS in Malaysia are taking the British Government to court for years of alleged atrocities.
P Waytha Moorthy is a solicitor based in Kuala Lumpur who filed a public interest litigation (PIL) at the Royal Courts of Justice in London last week (30). He now has three months to serve a notice to the Foreign Office for damages worth over £1 million for each of the country’s two million Hindus.
His move has been supported by Britain-based Hindu Human Rights (HHR), which organised a protest outside the Malyasian High Commission in London on Friday (31) to mark the country’s 50th year of independence from the British.
Mr Moorthy told Eastern Eye: “Malaysia supposedly became independent 50 years ago but the Hindus of the country have never experienced independence. They are denied the right to practice their religion, their temples are desecrated, they are forcibly converted and are subjected to unbelievable atrocities.
“The British Government must take responsibility for their treatment as these Hindus were brought into Malaysia forcibly as indentured labour during the British Raj in India. Before independence was declared for Malaysia, the British Government assured that the peculiar position of the Indians would be protected.
“But that never translated into action, which is why on the eve of this anniversary we have decided to file this case.”
The PIL is also demanding that the Malaysian constitution be declared null and void, all Hindus be granted British citizenship and the Malaysian government be referred to the international court of justice and the international criminal court at The Hague for human rights violations against minority Indians.
HHR spokesman Arjun Malik added: “Already subject to heavy discrimination in employment, study and general walks of life, Hindus in Malaysia have begun to suffer in more specific ways. Hindu temples are destroyed and desecrated regularly with the full backing of the government.
“Hindus are denied the right to follow their own faith, and even in death, denied the right to a decent Hindu funeral. Forced into the economic and social margins, Hindus have become the prime victims of religious and racial hatred, which few commentators and human rights organisations even bother reporting on. This petition and our protest is aimed at drawing attention to their plight.”
September 8th, 2007 at 8:08 am
Dear Sir,
We are peace loving people in the world. In the last 1000 year neither we evade nor we attack any country in the name of religion. Really Hinduism is fantasticc relegion in the Universe.Sometimes I fails to understand the mentality of Muslim and Christian there attitude towards Hinduism. Particularly in the Isalmic Countries. If intelorence is relegion main object. Then I hereby reject both Islam and Christianity. In fact both are not true hinduism. We never forece any cast, race for the conversion. Now jehadi and Missionaries thought India is there breeding ground for all sort of anto social activities and rampant conversion.
Futher Hinduisn is not a religion but is a way of life. I challange in this floor of house, is there any religion, who respect River, Nature, sorrounding and every aspect of Universe having equal right for creator Brahma.
Islam and Christinaity both myth and dogma. What is the purpse by saying only ONE GOD, what hinduism say only GOD is………? means u thing/mould/conceive the Almighty in any form, that is iternal truth, because he is OMni present.
Then in my last request we have given shelter to Tibetian, Burmese, Muslim, Chrisitan in all sort of help as Basudheba Kutumbbakan-GIta.
Dotn haras our beloved Hindu brother and sisters in Malesia and let leave in peace.
Chrisitnaity give two World War (1 &2)
Islam give intelorence and Jahad, Terrorism
Hinduism give peace and it will ……….beacuse it Satya and Sanatana
Urs
Pabitra Mohan Swain
Pune-Maharastra
September 10th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
To the Moderator,
Unable to understand your censor of my comment in reply to that of Pabitra’s.
Whilst my underlying thoughts could have been interpreted as being strong, I was nonetheless fairly guarded in expressing my views in reply to this young lady’s, which in my opinion “did not cross your line of censor”, as I rather believe that my views had relevance of comparison to subject matter, albeit with a “futureistic” projection reletive to the status of current communal affairs in India where this young lady lives.
Should you reconsider, then it would be great if my comment can be published.
I do, nonetheless, appreciate that you have valid reasons to apply censor.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:58 am
Dear Sir,
I am not a lady. I am male and highly qualified person. even i fails to understand what he/she exactly want to say. I just clarify the hinduism and what is staus of Hinduesm in world today. waht the people are doing to tanrnish Hinduiesm.
further we never harm any dody at any point of time. whay the malesian muslim.
Pabitr
September 11th, 2007 at 1:22 pm
Pabitra,
Sorry - and thank you for correcting me. My mistake.
Have a look at my comment on this link dated 6th. May.
http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/04/29/meet-the-writers/
I share some of your line of thought, and had responded accordingly - which did not make it to publication.
Be good to talk some day - please e.mail me.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
Rohid wrote: African Hindu, I take it you are talking about the same man I described above? If so, he wasn’t handing out any copies of the ‘green book’ since he had brought only a single copy with him, and he certainly wasn’t selling any. He was merely collecting some protestors’ e-mail addresses so that he can arrange for us to receive a (free) copy. African Hindu, your above comments are misleading and demeaning and I hope you will refrain from ridiculing fellow Hindus in the future.
Firstly Rohid,
Yes I believe this is the same guy with rupert bear trousers and cap on - and YES he was selling them to me, if not you. In fact, he did mention he wouldn’t be interested in anything less than a fiver..so go figure. There were more than one copies which he showed to me..he was actually there to make some business. I guess by the time he may have got to you, he most probably had the last copy left on him.
And NO these comments are facts that I have stated and are not misleading in any way whatsoever. By stating facts I really do not think I am demeaning any fellow Hindu here..you need to get your facts right before you go on assuming things on here.
Regards,
September 13th, 2007 at 4:46 am
Sorry to interupt the flow here guys. Just dropping in a thank you note in appreciation of all the hindus/non-hindus who took it out to the streets for us Malaysian Hindus. I’ts a rather late note but i just got to know about you guys today through a forward. God bless you all.
cheers
-DR.SARAVANAN R
September 13th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
Hari Om ,
Good to see our hindus in UK made some effort to protest against the injustices on hindus in Malaysia .. Thanks to the hindu elders and the majority woman’s wing for showing up!!. I really appreciate the effort of the HHR organising the protest ..
I hope that you guys will not entangle in the fight of differences of opinion too much as I see Rohidji became the more target than real ajenda of this discussion !!
Nevertheless UK hindus surely dont have problems with lack of unity rather it is a problem of coordination,collaboration and motivation …
The problems of hindus and indians in malaysia is increasing day by day . I guess it will not stop until all hindus are converted !!! The malay government has many ways to subject the hindus to convert.. Reducing the temples and indian primary schools are just a part of the tactics …others like reducing the hindus intake in universities, lesser scholarships to hindus than indian muslims , lesser job facilities in government , lesser promotions , higher housing and land prices …etc..
The hindus born in Malaysia are treated even lesser than the muslim migrants !!.. Putting pressure through the Malaysian embassies is good but we need to create global hindu power .. my suggestion is let us have more seminars, simposioms, workshops , yogik camps ..etc.. at local , regional,country and global levels … The programs should address the real current issues of hindus ..ie … ‘’many Gods'’ clarifications , temple relation to chakra and human body, more philosophical and scientific discussions to clear the doubts and misunderstandings on sanatana dharma … weekly spiritual and social lectures in temple after friday prayer is also necessary.. The on going hindu activities will surely create more awareness and the spirit to fight against injustices to the hindus..
September 14th, 2007 at 9:27 am
Dev, thanks for your post on 07/09 - this is great news and it really made my day! Messages like these act as a great motivator and I hope there will be more.
African Hindu said:
” And NO these comments are facts that I have stated and are not misleading in any way whatsoever. By stating facts I really do not think I am demeaning any fellow Hindu here..you need to get your facts right before you go on assuming things on here.”
African Hindu, please substantiate your above comments. It would be great if you would provide some kind of proof to back up your “fact”. As I said in my previous post, I am happy to forward an original e-mail from the elderly man you refer to as ‘Rupert the Bear’. This e-mail contains an attachement of the (free) book you claim he was trying to sell to you. In this message, he clearly encourages all recipients to forward the attachements to their friends.
As I said in my previous post, this elderly man creates these books from his state pension and had he asked me for money in return for the book, I would have been happy to give it to him.
September 15th, 2007 at 9:33 am
the situation for the malaysian hindu are quite bad day by day.
im planing to move overseas by next year.i cant stand it anymore.
we need all the help from international human right group.
September 15th, 2007 at 7:17 pm
Visva
Best thing to do mate is compile as much video and audio evidence as possible about what is happening to Hindu’s in Malaysia and then we can cut a series of vids or documentaries… hopefully with enough evidence someone somewhere may decide to take some notice
and if they do not… then we will make them
September 18th, 2007 at 9:08 am
Rohid wrote:African Hindu, please substantiate your above comments. It would be great if you would provide some kind of proof to back up your “fact”. As I said in my previous post, I am happy to forward an original e-mail from the elderly man you refer to as ‘Rupert the Bear’. This e-mail contains an attachement of the (free) book you claim he was trying to sell to you. In this message, he clearly encourages all recipients to forward the attachements to their friends.
Rohid,
In fact I already have the elderly man’s email and know his name also. Further, how do you want me to substantiate the fact that he asked me for nothing less than a fiver when handing that book to me? I didn’t have any hidden spy cameras on me so to catch him in the act, otherwise I’d be more than happy to forward the entire scene to you. Get serious mate!!
September 20th, 2007 at 4:43 pm
African Hindu said:
” In fact I already have the elderly man’s email and know his name also. ”
African Hindu, if you already have the e-mail with the free book attached, why are you claiming that this man wanted to charge you money?
African Hindu said:
“Further, how do you want me to substantiate the fact that he asked me for nothing less than a fiver when handing that book to me?”
Again, if you have received the e-mail with the free book, why do claim that he was charging you money? Furthermore, since you are not able to provide proof that he was charging you money, I will stick to my original suspicion that you are making false claims in order to demean a fellow Hindu. Especially since you have admitted that you have received the e-mail with the free book. This elderly man is an active Hindu supporter who made the effort to come to the protest to express his concern over the treatment of his community by islamic fundamentalist, and he is being riddiculed by the very community he is trying to support.
Please refrain from bad mouthing your own people. Your righteously indignant personality will only serve to damage our Hindu union - think of the greater good of your people instead of your own determination to win an argument at any costs.
September 24th, 2007 at 2:38 am
I agree with what Rohid said.Hindus nowadays like to stay away from all these kind of things.They rather stay at home.There is no unity with Hindus.Not just in UK but the same in Malaysia.When people come to demolish temple only few people come to stop them from demolishing.Others dont want any trouble.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:06 am
I think Rohid is pathetically going on & on about an issue that is not really important. In fact I too was asked for some money from the gentleman that he keeps going on about and was asked whether he can visit me at home also to discuss Islam further. Rohid, no one has bad mouthed that elderly man and I think you are getting off your platform and looking rather pathetic with your goings on.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:41 am
“African Hindu, if you already have the e-mail with the free book attached, why are you claiming that this man wanted to charge you money? ”
Rohid I was there and he was trying to charge money and he done the same with others.And I remember another time I met Rupert and he pushed a few leaflets in my hands and then wanted a pound for them.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:00 am
Rohid wrote:African Hindu, if you already have the e-mail with the free book attached, why are you claiming that this man wanted to charge you money?
Listen mate, go read my post again..it clearly says I have his email id and I know his name..and the reason why I am claiming that this man wanted nothing less than a fiver from me is because thats exactly what happened..do you have a problem with that? Why should I not expose facts on here and why lie about the fact that he wanted money?
Rohid wrote: Again, if you have received the e-mail with the free book, why do claim that he was charging you money? Furthermore, since you are not able to provide proof that he was charging you money, I will stick to my original suspicion that you are making false claims in order to demean a fellow Hindu.
Hello…where have I claimed I have received his emails with any free books? I wouldn’t call it demeaning fellow Hindus by exposing certain truths on here. I don’t need to prove the fact that I was asked for money especially when there were others around also at the time. And yeah..you stick to your baseless suspiciouns and I’ll stick to the fact that I am fully convinced you suffer from a permanent depression and that you really need to get a life.
Rohid wrote: Especially since you have admitted that you have received the e-mail with the free book.
Yeah? Where???? I’m getting the feeling that you are that particular person with Rupert Bear trousers & cap otherwise why keep harping on about this issue incessantly? It clearly has touched a raw nerve with you somewhere..
Rohid wrote: This elderly man is an active Hindu supporter who made the effort to come to the protest to express his concern over the treatment of his community by islamic fundamentalist, and he is being riddiculed by the very community he is trying to support.
Yeah..well thats not the issue here and even you know that..and yeah he made an effort but so did the rest of us who have started in our young years, doing far more than what he ever did in his entire seventy years of life, but we were not there selling books and trying to make any money out of fellow Hindus ..were we??? And by the way, no one is ridiculing him on here.
Rohid wrote: Please refrain from bad mouthing your own people.
Okay, so I have bad mouthed my own people have I? Where??
Rohid wrote: Your righteously indignant personality will only serve to damage our Hindu union
Either you are playing dumb or you take me for a fool..such retorts only suit pakora gassers who sit comfortably behind their Pcs punching frantically away at their keyboards and hurling such abuse and accusations at others.
Rohid wrote:
think of the greater good of your people instead of your own determination to win an argument at any costs.
Okay, so now we get lectures about the greater good of our people from the likes of you..can you tell us when is the last time you were out & about actually doing something for the greater good of your own people? You see, let me educate you, that most of us are actively involved daily in issues concerning Hindus and are actively bringing outsiders into Sanatan Dharma.
As for the determination to win arguements at any costs,I believe this rather suits you perfectly.
September 26th, 2007 at 4:50 pm
African Hindu said:
“Listen mate, go read my post again..it clearly says I have his email id and I know his name..and the reason why I am claiming that this man wanted nothing less than a fiver from me is because thats exactly what happened…”
As I said in my last post, I do not believe you, prove it!
“..do you have a problem with that? ”
I do indeed have a problem with that. You are riddiculing a fellow Hindu and I will not accept that.
African Hindu said:
” I’m getting the feeling that you are that particular person with Rupert Bear trousers & cap otherwise why keep harping on about this issue incessantly?”
Please refrain from referring to him as as Rupert Bear, you admitted to me in your last post that you have his name…please use it.
African Hindu said:
” Yeah..well thats not the issue here and even you know that..and yeah he made an effort but so did the rest of us who have started in our young years, doing far more than what he ever did in his entire seventy years of life”
Surely you are not claiming that you know all the activities in his life, are you? He compiled several books and articles which depict the crimes muslim findamentalists have commited towards Hindus. What more have you done that him? Also, even if you have done more, that does not give you the right to riddicule him or anybody else in our community. Compare all your good deeds to the bad ones - especially the ones commited on your earlier posts.
African Hindu said:
” Okay, so I have bad mouthed my own people have I? Where??”
Are you seriously asking me this question? Seriously?
African Hindu said:
” I am sick of depressed morons who winge and moan non stop.”
” Okay, so I have bad mouthed my own people have I? Where??”
“Oh yes, I remember now. Sorry Rohid, you wanted me to pay a fiver for
your little green book”
” Okay, so I have bad mouthed my own people have I? Where??”
“I’m getting the feeling that you are that particular person with Rupert Bear trousers & cap otherwise why keep harping on about this issue incessantly? It clearly has touched a raw nerve with you somewhere..”
” Okay, so I have bad mouthed my own people have I? Where??”
“Either you are playing dumb or you take me for a fool..such retorts only suit pakora gassers who sit comfortably behind their Pcs punching frantically away at their keyboards and hurling such abuse and accusations at others.”
” Okay, so I have bad mouthed my own people have I? Where??”
” that I am fully convinced you suffer from a permanent depression and that you really need to get a life.
The above are a few examples of you bad mouthing your fellow Hindus.
African Hindu said:
“You see, let me educate you, that most of us are actively involved daily in issues concerning Hindus and are actively bringing outsiders into Sanatan Dharma.”
I hope you don’t use the above means to bring outsiders into the Hindu fold. Going by your previous posts, far from bringing them in, you are actually driving them away. And this is why I have asked you several times to refrain from demeaning your fellow Hindus
African Hindu said:
” ..can you tell us when is the last time you were out & about actually doing something for the greater good of your own people?”
The last time was this morning. Before that it was yesterday morning. The next time it will be tomorrow morning. You see African Hindu, I have been dedicating half of my day, for the past four years to the advancement of our people. You are welcome to join us, but please come without the above depicted attitude.
Aryan said:
” In fact I too was asked for some money from the gentleman that he keeps going on about and was asked whether he can visit me at home also to discuss Islam further.”
Aryan, please prove this. Please also prove that you are not posting under multiple names to back up your own arguments.
As you will notice from the early posts, African Hindu took this debate to a low level since she thought I was speaking bad about the Hindu women who turned out at the protests. Subsequently, when I responded to say that I was actually complimenting the Hindu women who turned up, African Hindu’s righteously indignant personality led her to find any faults in me possible in order to win the argument. (I gather she felt a little embarrassed and was trying to find a way around it?)
September 27th, 2007 at 9:40 pm
What ever happed to unity?
September 28th, 2007 at 10:13 am
Rohid wrote:
As I said in my last post, I do not believe you, prove it!
Hehehehe..Typical response!!! Well, you’re dumber than I thought you really were..there are already people on here that are saying the same thing and are you going to ask them to prove the same thing also?
Now you prove to me this guy wasn’t asking you for money..prove that then..
Rohid wrote: you admitted to me in your last post that you have his name…please use it.
Here’s your Rupert Bear : rakhalsaha@yahoo.com. Perhaps you can get in touch with him yourself Mr. Rohid Pakora Gasser?
Rohid wrote: He compiled several books and articles which depict the crimes muslim findamentalists have commited towards Hindus. What more have you done that him? Also, even if you have done more, that does not give you the right to riddicule him or anybody else in our community. Compare all your good deeds to the bad ones - especially the ones commited on your earlier posts.
Yeah…blah blah blah…listen to yourself..it’s like you’re arguing for yourself and WITH yourself..You still haven’t answered my questions..What have YOU done for the greater good of your people? As for writing articles about Muslim attrocities against Hindus, you don’t need to buy books from the likes of these people. Instead why not read the original writings about Hindu genocides etc written by the perpetrators themselves like Babur & Akbar in their own works? Also, if I need to learn about Islam, the Kuran is the best reference about mistreatment of infidels. I just need to pick one copy of that - matter solved!!
Rohid wrote: What more have you done that him?
Far more than you and Rupert Bear put together you egoistic numbskull. Meet up and I’ll prove what work we do on a daily basis.
Rohid wrote: Are you seriously asking me this question? Seriously?
well…YES
Rohid wrote: The last time was this morning. Before that it was yesterday morning. The next time it will be tomorrow morning. You see African Hindu, I have been dedicating half of my day, for the past four years to the advancement of our people.
Well, they haven’t advanced much then have they? Where were they all on the day of the protest because the ones that came were from my side - 99 % of the girls & boys, who I would say made a larger noise than anyone else there.
Rohid wrote: You are welcome to join us, but please come without the above depicted attitude.
No..you come and join us…And no pakora gassing.
Rohid wrote: As you will notice from the early posts, African Hindu took this debate to a low level
Proof of the fact that you are a Pakora gasser…nothing else..
Rohid wrote: (I gather she felt a little embarrassed and was trying to find a way around it?)
hehehe..embarrassed? Excuse me mate but what a parrot you are. Your posts prove your mentality and the ability to turn an entire topic around to make you look big. Well, listen here Mr. Big, your problem is you are suffering from the intrinsic ego most Hindu men have..go figure.
MY BOTTOM LINE IS THAT RUPERT BEAR ASKED ME & MANY OTHERS THERE FOR MONEY AND THAT’S FINAL - WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
Asta la vista & Kwaheri
October 3rd, 2007 at 4:17 am
Next time we bring Hare Krishnas to sell books and spread the message of luv ok.Dont fight…..HARE KRISHNA