Comments on: Entering the Hindu fold http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/ Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:24:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: auron http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-35666 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:36:04 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-35666 "remember a hindu who converts to other religions like islam is not only a one hindu less but one enemy more",this was swami vivekananda. About the turkish brother who had escaped from the delusion of moha mad (moha madhe, a sort of demon incarnation with power to delude peoples mind),we heartily rejoice and applaud your courage of conviction and ability do discern Truth from falsehood. The very starter of islam that there is no God but God (querishi tribal godhead of the moon,Allah who is none other than Shiva, is merely to self appoint Mohamad as Shivas sole and final spokesman,without which u cannot be 'allowed" to know Him and His Will. What better formula for misrepresent God and usurp what is proper for him alone,that is adoration ,the quintessential Asura? Identifying Abrahamic with A-Brahmanic , Anti Divine is apt. welcome brother to kinship with Light. ofcourse those who 'oppose' shuddhi must be extraordinary morons,but actually its just crass ignorance and stupidity of a certain make that has no grasp or any deeper understanding of Hindu Dharma, and its exactly this section in our history that is the cause of all misery in India. Shivaji wasnt allowed to even make shudhi of his own General who escaped slavery from afghanistan and returned after 20 years.the brahmin idiots refused, misinterpreting scriptural taboo, that he was unclean by contact with mlechas. Duh And imagine likewise,Shivaji himself was refused to be annointed as chatrapati becos the brhamins thought of some goobledash, of caste, and forgeting that they wouldve been stripped by thier skin and burnt which was the standard procedure with this business when muslim invaders got hold of a brahmin, if he hadnt unsheathed his sword in defense of our dharma. The same happened in kashmir.today the pundits pay for the shortsightedness of this kind of thier forefathers when valley muslims appealed to the Hindu king to come back and reembrace Hinduism. I think the one thing that kept alive the hindu Sikh race is the divine Grace alone,for they seem to have a monumental dullness of mind,given the formidable and ancient enemy. That diesnt mean we should try to be quicker on the take and be smart Hindus. THE ONLY SOLUTION FOR THE WORLD AND OUR RACE, IS SHUDHI. BYE “remember a hindu who converts to other religions like islam is not only a one hindu less but one enemy more”,this was swami vivekananda.
About the turkish brother who had escaped from the delusion of moha mad (moha madhe, a sort of demon incarnation with power to delude peoples mind),we heartily rejoice and applaud your courage of conviction and ability do discern Truth from falsehood.
The very starter of islam that there is no God but God (querishi tribal godhead of the moon,Allah who is none other than Shiva, is merely to self appoint Mohamad as Shivas sole and final spokesman,without which u cannot be ‘allowed” to know Him and His Will.
What better formula for misrepresent God and usurp what is proper for him alone,that is adoration ,the quintessential Asura?
Identifying Abrahamic with A-Brahmanic , Anti Divine is apt.
welcome brother to kinship with Light.

ofcourse those who ‘oppose’ shuddhi must be extraordinary morons,but actually its just crass ignorance and stupidity of a certain make that has no grasp or any deeper understanding of Hindu Dharma, and its exactly this section in our history that is the cause of all misery in India.
Shivaji wasnt allowed to even make shudhi of his own General who escaped slavery from afghanistan and returned after 20 years.the brahmin idiots refused, misinterpreting scriptural taboo, that he was unclean by contact with mlechas. Duh
And imagine likewise,Shivaji himself was refused to be annointed as chatrapati becos the brhamins thought of some goobledash, of caste, and forgeting that they wouldve been stripped by thier skin and burnt which was the standard procedure with this business when muslim invaders got hold of a brahmin, if he hadnt unsheathed his sword in defense of our dharma.
The same happened in kashmir.today the pundits pay for the shortsightedness of this kind of thier forefathers when valley muslims appealed to the Hindu king to come back and reembrace Hinduism.

I think the one thing that kept alive the hindu Sikh race is the divine Grace alone,for they seem to have a monumental dullness of mind,given the formidable and ancient enemy.
That diesnt mean we should try to be quicker on the take and be smart Hindus.

THE ONLY SOLUTION FOR THE WORLD AND OUR RACE, IS SHUDHI.

BYE

]]> by: Swami Param http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-31858 Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:52:40 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-31858 Vicky, Many non-Hindus wish to study the Hindu/Yogic religion. (Yes, the various [Real] Yogas constitute the Hindu religion.) Feel confident in approaching any Hindu or Hindu group. If "they" make you feel uncomfortable, be bold and ask them, Why? Of course no one should feel compelled to join anything right away. If after serious study and reflection, you find that the Hindu/Yogic religion is for you, then you could formally become a Hindu (there are important ceremonines). It should never be simply a casual affair to become part of any religion. Interestingly, if more people adhered to the above, we would a lot of qualified Hindu teachers teachings the various aspects of Yoga--instead of the spurious so-called "yoga" of today. Vicky,
Many non-Hindus wish to study the Hindu/Yogic religion. (Yes, the various [Real] Yogas constitute the Hindu religion.) Feel confident in approaching any Hindu or Hindu group. If “they” make you feel uncomfortable, be bold and ask them, Why?

Of course no one should feel compelled to join anything right away. If after serious study and reflection, you find that the Hindu/Yogic religion is for you, then you could formally become a Hindu (there are important ceremonines). It should never be simply a casual affair to become part of any religion.

Interestingly, if more people adhered to the above, we would a lot of qualified Hindu teachers teachings the various aspects of Yoga–instead of the spurious so-called “yoga” of today.

]]> by: Navin http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-30129 Wed, 07 May 2008 23:12:18 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-30129 It is too simple to chose to follow a tradition. It is far greater to follow truth. Even when you "join" a religion, do not join it but rather the truth that flows in it. (watch out for crazy gurus, priests, imams. watch out for false ideologies. watch out for ego-satisfying answers) But good luck in what you seek. hariaum It is too simple to chose to follow a tradition. It is far greater to follow truth. Even when you “join” a religion, do not join it but rather the truth that flows in it. (watch out for crazy gurus, priests, imams. watch out for false ideologies. watch out for ego-satisfying answers) But good luck in what you seek.

hariaum

]]> by: Hindu_Nutcase http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-30127 Wed, 07 May 2008 22:51:30 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-30127 I can understand one's hesitancy or guilt in embracing or experimenting with a system of thought, practice or belief very different to what you were brought up in - however just remember - ultimately every single religion is the heritage of ALL OF HUMANITY. Which means a person should follow what they believe inside regardless of what we were brought up doing. I can understand one’s hesitancy or guilt in embracing or experimenting with a system of thought, practice or belief very different to what you were brought up in - however just remember - ultimately every single religion is the heritage of ALL OF HUMANITY. Which means a person should follow what they believe inside regardless of what we were brought up doing.

]]> by: Keshav http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-30081 Wed, 07 May 2008 17:43:42 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-30081 Vicky! Entering the Hindu fold is not uniform across the board. A ceremony is not necessary, just that feeling in your heart - the feeling you have now. There is no guilt in Hindu thinking. Do not feel guilty about trivial things such as skin color or the past when you have a future there for you. The fact that we have a future is itself a blessing many people cannot share. If you feel you are Hindu and someone tells you otherwise, its best to understand why they said, and if you realize that it was a dumb comment, better to ignore it. Enjoy the site and learn a little! Vicky!

Entering the Hindu fold is not uniform across the board. A ceremony is not necessary, just that feeling in your heart - the feeling you have now.

There is no guilt in Hindu thinking. Do not feel guilty about trivial things such as skin color or the past when you have a future there for you. The fact that we have a future is itself a blessing many people cannot share.

If you feel you are Hindu and someone tells you otherwise, its best to understand why they said, and if you realize that it was a dumb comment, better to ignore it.

Enjoy the site and learn a little!

]]> by: vicky http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-30063 Wed, 07 May 2008 14:46:41 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-30063 I was raised as a christian. im white-british and i know very little of Hinduism, and yet that litttle bit i do know i feel truth there. i desire to learn more about hindu thourght and and of God . but sometimes i feel gulty for my white skin and christian bakground. i hope that the divine mother will revel the path to me. I was raised as a christian. im white-british and i know very little of Hinduism, and yet that litttle bit i do know i feel truth there. i desire to learn more about hindu thourght and and of God . but sometimes i feel gulty for my white skin and christian bakground. i hope that the divine mother will revel the path to me.

]]> by: Swami Param http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-29892 Sun, 04 May 2008 14:13:26 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-29892 Navin's comments are a beautiful example of sophistry. Life is truly an amazing game/dance. Navin’s comments are a beautiful example of sophistry. Life is truly an amazing game/dance.

]]> by: Navin http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-29738 Fri, 02 May 2008 16:16:47 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-29738 Good questions swami ji. Metaphors: The sun moves around the earth. The soldier protects the country. A blind man sees. I feel the pain of my fellow humans. A pill is treatment but also poison. This spanking hurts me more than you. All of these are true, yet all are false. Krishna is Narayana but Arjuna sees him as Krishna. We do not practice sophistry. We look deeper. Truth is Satva. It is our task, our prakriti to seek it. But in that prakriti we have ego created maya. Yet the ego must exist to create maya. And thus ego (more properly understood as purusha in this setting) exists - satya. Religion ligates - ties = yokes - yukta atman-paratman. A religion that breaks the tie, leads us away from paratman, then ties us to asatya. It is a religion that worship untruth, it is false. Delusion can be chemical. In this setting medications and compassion are needed. But delusion can be to believe in things that are false even though we are given the opportunity to see the truth. Religions that delude people into akarmic belief that their actions are without consequence (guaranteed salvation), that truth is bound in a physical or ideological construct (idolatry, book worship), that there is only one true way to truth (messiah worship), and that truth is not omnipresent (dvaita), are false religions. but then I could be wrong. False religion could simply be "not my religion" you heathen, infidel, pagan you :) hariaum Good questions swami ji.

Metaphors:

The sun moves around the earth.
The soldier protects the country.
A blind man sees.
I feel the pain of my fellow humans.
A pill is treatment but also poison.
This spanking hurts me more than you.

All of these are true, yet all are false.
Krishna is Narayana but Arjuna sees him as Krishna.

We do not practice sophistry. We look deeper.

Truth is Satva. It is our task, our prakriti to seek it. But in that prakriti we have ego created maya. Yet the ego must exist to create maya. And thus ego (more properly understood as purusha in this setting) exists - satya.

Religion ligates - ties = yokes - yukta atman-paratman. A religion that breaks the tie, leads us away from paratman, then ties us to asatya. It is a religion that worship untruth, it is false.

Delusion can be chemical. In this setting medications and compassion are needed. But delusion can be to believe in things that are false even though we are given the opportunity to see the truth. Religions that delude people into akarmic belief that their actions are without consequence (guaranteed salvation), that truth is bound in a physical or ideological construct (idolatry, book worship), that there is only one true way to truth (messiah worship), and that truth is not omnipresent (dvaita), are false religions.

but then I could be wrong. False religion could simply be “not my religion” you heathen, infidel, pagan you :)

hariaum

]]> by: Swami Param http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-29680 Thu, 01 May 2008 14:03:28 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-29680 How can "Truth be universal" and there also be "false religion?" How can "Truth be universal" and "men see it differently?" How could anyone know anything that is "universa?" What is "Truth?" How can "religion transcend truth?" As to people converting into Hinduism. Yes indeed! And, all those like Swami's Chidananda and Dayananda and numerous other closet Hindus should take note. Before you alllow anyone (not already a Hindu, of course) to teach (what should be called "Hatha") Yoga, you must convert (or adopt) them to Hinduism! How can “Truth be universal” and there also be “false religion?” How can “Truth be universal” and “men see it differently?” How could anyone know anything that is “universa?” What is “Truth?” How can “religion transcend truth?”

As to people converting into Hinduism. Yes indeed! And, all those like Swami’s Chidananda and Dayananda and numerous other closet Hindus should take note. Before you alllow anyone (not already a Hindu, of course) to teach (what should be called “Hatha”) Yoga, you must convert (or adopt) them to Hinduism!

]]> by: Navin http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-29638 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:25:19 +0000 http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/05/30/entering-the-hindu-fold/#comment-29638 Truth is universal. Men see it differently. One can recognize a truthful religion by the adoption that truth transcends religion. One can recognize a false religion by the adoption that religion transcends truth. thanks for your insight (and courage) Arya. hariaum Truth is universal. Men see it differently. One can recognize a truthful religion by the adoption that truth transcends religion. One can recognize a false religion by the adoption that religion transcends truth.

thanks for your insight (and courage) Arya.

hariaum

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