Swami Ramdev accused of insulting Mahatma Gandhi
No stranger to controversy, legendary yoga-guru Swami Ramdev has once again ignited the wrath of irate protestors, who accuse him of insulting the memory of Mahatma Gandhi.
Whilst teaching yoga to Army personnel in Madhya Pradesh, Swami Ramdev expressed his belief that the freedom of India was achieved by the “sacrifice of martyrs” and not through non-violent methods alone. He is quoted as saying “I am a follower of penance, sacrifice, non-violence and truth, but am also a follower of revolutionaries…if somebody says that the country achieved independence without arms, without bloodshed, I believe it is an insult to the country’s martyrs”.
December 26th, 2006 at 12:17 pm
I agree with what Swami Ramdev said. Mahatma Gandhi introduced the West to non-violence as a way of protest and by his sheer determination wore the British Raj down. But we musn’t forget that all the people who died during that struggle - DO NOT FORGET Jalianwala Bagh !- helped the freedom struggle. Each martyrdom stirred more people onto the resistance and gradually it acquired such a momentum that the British Government had to relent. The world war and its economic impact also contributed to our Freedom. It is preposterous, naive and very immature for the Congress Party to deny the Martyrs theire fair share of Glory.
December 26th, 2006 at 12:50 pm
Hi I truly believe in Swami Ramdev has said, it is unfortunate that people
of India have forgotten those who laid their life for the freedom of country (I don’t have to cite any examples here we all know famous one and there are numerous unsung heros as well who made the small but significant difference in their way), and give credit to one man only is unfair and unjust.
Current crop of congress party members have no right to defend Mahatma Ghandi, for they are the ones who do not follow on his footsteps.
Don’t get me wrong Mr Mohan Das Karamchand Ghandi as Mahatama is true representation of him, as no one in recent history has shown such, selflessness, sacrifice and humility than him, If we worship him as god will not be wrong. However, as a political leader I beg to differ.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:20 pm
Great article and yes I believe Swami Ramdev was correct, Gandhi got independance as the PM at the time, true, but only because the British saw nothing left in India and themselves were suffering the pangs of WW2. They knew they had already robbed the riches of India in the past 100 years before independance and had nothing left to gain from it, so they gave independance to stop trouble from the martyrs rather than because of Gandhi protesting.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:55 pm
Mahatma Gandhi ji played an important role and so did our many freedom fighters of all castes, creeds and religions. Why are the Congress Youth behaving like idiotic louts? Can’t they understand a simple and easily understandable statement made by Swami Ramdev ji. I am one of his Yog disciples but you don’t have to be to understand what he has said - although a bit of clear breathing may help them to open up their closed minds!
December 26th, 2006 at 2:44 pm
I think we need more people like Swami Ramdev to bring out the truth that it was not gandhi but lots of people who sacrified their lives for the independence. As for gandhi, he has blood of milions of Hindus on is hands. How can people call him father of Bharat when Bharat had been there for time immemorial. He is the father of country called pakistan, which gandhi created. As for congress party, in the last fifty years of their rule, they have brought more misery to Hindus than the british rule of two hundre years.
December 26th, 2006 at 3:01 pm
Typical Congress Party - too scared to combat terrorism but too ready to take out a decent, humble Hindu Indian who is trying to unite Indians of all faiths by the science of the Vedas.
Nothing the esteemed Swami Ramdev said was incorrect. Originally founded by a english man and now led by a non-indian, Congress until the Bhagat Singh incident only wanted to have self rule. Then with the rise of Bose and the blood scarifice of others, the Congress-wallas decided to ask for full independance.
but as Travis Bickle says in the film Taxi Driver
“Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets”
Someday a Divine Monsoon will come and wash this scum into the sea and take with them the godless communists as well.
Make no mistake, the non-violence of Independence was built of the foundation of split blood and butchered flesh of many unknown indians of all creeds and customs.
December 26th, 2006 at 3:22 pm
ghandi never got independence by peace he only made a comprmise to get half(or less) of india. how can india be free without having sindh
(where the hindus originated from)
furthermore if ghandhi’s group got “independence”by peace can achieve anything peacefully then why are his disciples using violence now.
December 26th, 2006 at 3:43 pm
The independence was gained through the sacrifice of many, not by any one politician, however much he or she may have contributed to the cause.
Ramdev Ji is absolutely right to point out the contribution of many who laid down their lives for the cause and that include Subash Chandra Bose, Bhagat Singh and all those who lost their lives at Jalyanwala Bag massacre, in the Black Hall of Calcutta and throughout the freedom struggle going back to the beginning of the 20th Centuary.
The leaders of today’s Congress are doing more harm than good to Bharatversh. They use Gandhi name for political propoganda, although Sonia Gandhi has nothing to do with Mahatma Gandhi.
Bhupendra
December 26th, 2006 at 3:44 pm
I think Mr Ramdev should stick to Yoga, Patanjali and pranayama. He does have a tendency to be carried away by his own self arrogance. His appreciation of independence struggle lacks insight and his understanding of human body is almost superstitious. He fails to see the immense contribution made by Mahatma Gandhi simply because he is inclined favourably towards the inherent savagery of right wing Hinduism which has largely contributed to the decadence of the Hindu society and its evils. It is no secret that before Mahatma Gandhi set his stamp on the Indian scene the congress party was largely made of and for brown Sahibs who had very little respect for their fellow Indians. It was Gandhiji who woke them up and gave us Sardar Patel and Pandit Nehru.
The issue is not that others did not make any contribution or not but the fact that it was Gandhiji that made India into one nation by winning the support from so many without violence. India would be fragments of hundred nations. It also must be remembered that Gandhiji was always against partion. The right wing Hindus were way behind in making any positive contribution to India at that time and at present time. They were contantly preoccupied to their primitive caste system and how to consolidate at any cost.
Lastly Gandhiji wanted nothing to do with the Congress party close to independence and was very much infavour of disbanding it.
Congress has hijacked Gandhiji as their property and the opposition have played squrely into their hands including Mr Ramdev who likes to make emotional political statements beyond his brief but the masses love it as they are happy to surrender their rational thinking.
December 26th, 2006 at 5:30 pm
the agitation by the congress camp-followers against a statement of Swami Ramdev shows how they are opposed to freedom of speech and thought unless that falls within the politically-correct stereotypes espoused by them. Saying that India’s freedom was achieved only by Gandhian non-violence amopunts to disrespect towards the revolutionaries like Subhash Bose, Bhagat Singh, Chandrasekhar Azad, Veer Savarkar who fought with their life against the British. This denial is sheer treachery and only the Congressmen which could not find a single ethnic Indian to lead them and found a messiah in an Italian Catholic fundamentalist, can be so treacherous. If non-violence is the sole factor, then why there should be the armed forces? Why thses politicians are surrounded by armed security-guards?
We the common men believe that what Swami Ramdev has said is truth and nothing but true.
December 26th, 2006 at 5:36 pm
wait a minate…. I thought what Ramdev said was “”I am a follower of penance, sacrifice, non-violence and truth, but am also a follower of revolutionaries…if somebody says that the country achieved independence without arms, without bloodshed, I believe it is an insult to the country’s martyrs”.
Nowhere in the above does he say the word Gandhi.
Now coming back to dear Mr Dawda’s assertation that Gandhi brought the nation together shows a complete lack for respect for the others on whose shoulders Gandhi stood on to create the nation called India and it was technically Vallabhai Patel who got the princely states to become part of the union.
According to Vinod-bhai the caste system is primative and all hindus are right wing… again is that not an insult on the Veda’s as the system of demarcation was laid out in that…
so this begs the questions what kind of hindu are you Mr Dawda… are you one of those secular, liberal “hindu” who believes that Indian history started and ended with Gandhi???
Interesting how you put down so many so those Indians who gave their life for the country, and then insult the Veda’s and presume that Ramdev is arrogant… because he uttered an opionion.
Last time I woke up I thought India was a democracy… a lot of the barbs that you have cast could be directed to you.
But then again with people like you who needs enemies… you seem to preface the word “hindu” with right wing… do you work for the BBC by chance or are you a big pharma backed doctor???
and as for hindu’s not making a positive contribution what contribition have you and yours made??
at least Ramdev is trying to help those who are sick and tired of being given drugs, he at least is bringing back the ancient hindu art of healing…
interesting chat this….
JB
December 26th, 2006 at 7:51 pm
IT IS UNFORTUNATE that congress wants to meddle with Hindu Saint’s words who is serving the humanity.
Ramdevji is a Saint and therefore above all. According to Hindu scriptures, Saint is above everyone including Gandhiji.
If Gandhiji were alive today then he would bow to Ramdevji as Vedas says Bramhanosya Mukhamaseet, Bahu Rajanyah Krutah… in Purushasukta.
Ramdevji’s words are perfect as we are not acknowledging enough, the help of all our martyrs, Subahsh Chandra Bose, Vir Savarkar, Veer Bhagatsingh, Ramprasad Bismil and countless others who paid with their blood and family.
For the independence, we owe a great deal to Gandhiji, martyrs and a lot of other people.
Let us not listen to the one way traffic of Congress who wants to worship only one family as Gods and without that family they would have identity crisis.
Hemang Bhatt
December 26th, 2006 at 11:54 pm
My salutations to Swami Ramdevji. I totally agree with his comments, and believe the actions of the congress party to be totally inappropriate, and so what against the teachings of Pujya Gandhiji.
Long Live Swami Ram Devji
Priti
December 27th, 2006 at 2:01 am
Mr JackB certainly has got the wrong end of the stick and like to jump before he can see. However he likes democracy and so do I. I just do not understand where he draws his conclusions. I can now see how Congress followers could have derived their conclusions.
As far as how the nation came together he best advised to read further. I have not claimed that Gandhi was the only person neither have I claimed that all Hindus are right wing. I am a Hindu and I know what I am saying.
I am not sure if it is OK to get emotional in public as the reason gets lost in the process.
December 27th, 2006 at 2:46 am
All persons have a right to their opinion, which includes Baba Ramdev as well.
However more importantly, I believe Baba Ramdev merely was giving respect to the forgotten heros of that time period. Furthermore, I am not even sure that one can make a reasonable argument that Baba Ramdev disrespected Babuji.
My sincerely respects for Baba Ramdev ji.
Thanks
Aneeta Maheshwari
December 27th, 2006 at 4:26 am
Not only should we remember the sacrifice of millions of martyrs, but pay true respect to the teachings of the Mahatma who all alone stood for the principle of non violence and as such awoke the entire world to the non justice of the imperial powers…..so carry on baba ramdev…..let those who do not wish to give credit remain blind
December 27th, 2006 at 4:54 am
How some one can be advised to stick to his job(yoga) and not to comment on other matters? Afterall Swami Ramdev is also an Indian citizen and have all those rights enjoyed by others from the President to a bottom man who does not have interest in politics and vote to create legislation only.The war for independence of India from British empire was started in 19th centanery and millions of Indians lost their lives and all those should be remembered. Not only Mahatma who agreed for division of the country to get quick independence and to make his beloved Nehru to preside over the first legislation of independent India and also to divert attention from the freedom fighters like Subhash Chandra Bose who lost his whole life for the nation.
One can easily understand how bias was Mahatma. Congress leaders should understand that if they start discussion, it will highlight all the past reflecting personal love of Mahatma who wanted to make Nehru a HERO and gave consent to hang Shahid Bhagat Singh and others…..
December 27th, 2006 at 12:03 pm
I agree with many of your readers…Gandhi did not bring freedom to India. The real freedom was fought 50-100 years before Gandhi appeared on the scene. Gandhi merely appeared on the scene when Britain had allready decided that India was no longer worth keeping, bearing in mind that the Labour Party was in power then. At the turn of the 20th century…Gandhi was a nervous and frightened young lawyer working on a case in my country , South Africa. SA matured him and by the time he left the shores to “fight” for Indian “freedom” , most of the ground work was already done and all that was still pending was to “crown” a freedom fighter and Gandhi was the ideal candidate.
How can one call a man a freedom fighter when we lost two thirds of Bengal, Sind, more than half of Punjab , a third of Kashmir and the decimation of virtually the entire Hindu population in “Pakistan” and abandoning a subdued and terrorised Hindu minority in East Bengal.To crown it all we were not allowed to “touch” the local Muslim for fear that “Babuji” will starve himself to death. In the meantime and currently the minorities in India continue to multiply with full steam ahead and the Hindu minorities elsewhere dwindles in numbers.
Congress , especially the current version is a bunch of hoodlums,thugs and bullies who are not capable of electing an Indian to lead them. They need to be led by a foreigner and a Catholic at that. May God (or a miracle?) save India.
Jai Hind.
Jai Shri Krishna…
December 27th, 2006 at 12:34 pm
What is this big ho ha about gandhiji and Ramdev. India is the world largest democratic country and everyone has a freedom of speech. Congess got to clear their own house first before accusing Ramdev of anything.
December 27th, 2006 at 2:59 pm
Jai Sri Krishna.
India is the land of many Gods and Godessess, a land where mere mortals can become Gods themselves, and today we see that Gandhi Bapu and the Nehru dynasty have been installed with Shiva, Krishna and Rama. Its rather ironic that the anti-Hindutva and secular congress party promote this worship-like respect of a national figure. Anyone working in the political and secular domain as Ghandiji did can and should be scrutinised. Thats how a democratic system works!!! And im sure if Bapu was alive today he would appreciate criticism and scrutiny. Bapu did some amazing things but he was an idealist, so 100% ahimsa can never work.
The congress party should stick to the democratic ideals of free speech and respect comments made by any citizen. like wise Swamiji’s comment should not ne misinterpretated, Swamiji was merely drawing attention to the many heros and heroines other than Gandhi bapu who sacrificed their life for our freedom.
Vande Mataram
December 29th, 2006 at 3:52 am
The poster “behead those who insult Gandhi” on your site is diametrically apposed to the views of Gandhi. Gandhi would never have advocated such insightment to violence. People who advocated such views and call themselves Gandhian are either ignorant or have an axe to grind against the Swami. From my knowledge of the history of India, there was violence before and after independance, inspite of Gandhi’s teaching of non-violence and it is only proper to pay tribute to those who sacrifice their lives for India’s independance; people were beaten to death who joined Gandhi on his demonstrations; don’t they deserve praise?
I think these people who are protesting should try and find out more about the views of the Swami, whether he is apposed to Gandhi’s teaching or not and in what sense. They should also try to understand the meaning of non-violence, do they want India to lay down her arms and surrender to her enemies around her.
I think India should not preach violence but she should be prepared to overcome the violence that is confronting her.
Nehru Lall
December 29th, 2006 at 12:12 pm
Swami Ramdev is a citizen of my country. He has all the freedom that the constitution provides. The people, especially like those of Vinod Dawda, may not know much of our struggle for freedom. Our history books should also teach the philosophy of those who have shed their blood for the very purpose.
Can those who counter Swami, explain the human hunt that has taken place at Jalian wala bagh whcih the Raj regrets as a simple act of hunting caged animals.
Remember General Dyer Order “Fire”.
Its the Khaki clad Indians who pumped bullets into those innocent men. women anbd children.
Its the khaki clad Indians who lathied the Indians at the Dandi.
Our history is a mixture of Yes’s and No’s with But’s.
There is no use of critisising any one. But walk with the lessons learnt from the pages of history.
Let our country not be the ” Conquered land” of all the races again.
December 29th, 2006 at 12:43 pm
In my opinion there is no father of the nation, but we have mother India (Bharat Mata). I have never heard Bharat Pita. In the name of Gandhiji they want to carry on achieving their political goals. We have gained independece for last 60 years and still carrying the policy of reservation in the name of lower caste etc. In Hindu scriptures there is no mention of caste system. If congress think that our mrtyrs gave their life in vain then they are insulting our Bharat Mata.
December 30th, 2006 at 7:31 pm
Full respect to Ghandi ji & his phylosophy.I would like to say ,war between China & India ,three war between Pakistan & India & now continus war against Islamic terrorism ,Naxalism & other sepratist groups& stability of India & economic growth of in India ,hope in future India become a super power it is very nesserary to have very ,very strong army of India.
December 30th, 2006 at 7:36 pm
Time to retort to Mr Dawda,
Thanks this is cool.
“Mr JackB certainly has got the wrong end of the stick and like to jump before he can see”
Last time i had my eyes checked I had good vision. And as I am not a pack animal with four legs I am not inclined to jump for anyone.
“However he likes democracy and so do I. I just do not understand where he draws his conclusions”
I draw my conclusions from your article and what you have “said” in between the lines.
“I can now see how Congress followers could have derived their conclusions.”
“As far as how the nation came together he best advised to read further. I have not claimed that Gandhi was the only person neither have I claimed that all Hindus are right wing.”
I have read extensively both here and in India of the the struggle for Independence.
“I am a Hindu and I know what I am saying.”
Just becuase you are a Hindu does not mean that you know everything. And are you saying that I am not? As if you are then you obviously have not idea of what you are talking about.
“I am not sure if it is OK to get emotional in public as the reason gets lost in the process.”
Reason is like beauty it is in the eye and mind of the beholder. What could be reasonable to you may be unreasonable to others.
As for emotion… hey it is what fueled the struggle of independence in the first place… I am sure that Bapu and all the others had emotion and displayed in public and this is why they got to where they did.
Sitting at a computer and taking about reason and arrogantly telling others thay they are wrong - you seem like a person who want to be an armchair quarterback.
But then again this is only my opinion… I maybe wrong
January 1st, 2007 at 1:01 am
I am not going to sympathize with Gandhi supporters. Quite honestly, look at how violent muslims are! And it is this violence that cause the civilised world to bend down on their knees and conduct favours for them to appease them. How can a man who is wearing a chadee be called the father of the nation? why does all the glory go towards one man who simply hiked from one end of the country to the other and claimed to have kicked the british out. There were revolutionaries who were hanged, maimed, and tortured in prision as they chose death for freedom. Also Gandhi philosophies advocated freedom of thought as well as freedom of speech so we have every right to criticise or insult gandhi if we want to.
-Muski
January 1st, 2007 at 5:35 pm
Let us assume that JackB knows so much more. I guess it is fine to go ahead with orgy of violence and hate. I for one choose otherwise. I am probably an armchair quarterback and I have no business fanning the flames of violence unless I am willing to be in the frontline. Have fun !
January 1st, 2007 at 7:16 pm
Arjun stood in the frontline and was commanded in his orgy of violence (only 10 survived the MH war) by our illustrious Lord Shree Krishna.
I have personally had people threathening to burn my home etc for my writing. But I still continue knowing that Lord Shree Krishna awards those of might.
Look at Europe, America, Australia, South Africa, Japan, China, Korea etc God stands by these openly Imperialist, War Mongering, Intrusive and racist nations.
Who dares wins Gods Good Fortune.
Veda Shakti!
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:13 am
Dear Deeno
So, oh learned friend, Krsna says who dares wins??? nothing about truth and wisdom?
Reading comments like yours, no wonder India is in such a state!!!
On one side we have the honest and trustworthy (!!!) politicians condeming comments which have been given meaning by those very politicians - namely, that Swami Ramdev has insulted the Great Mahatma Gandhi (dont worry how the great Mahatma’s name got attached), then we have the Mullas claiming that all glorious India is the next Islamic state, then we have the virtuous Hindus who want the world to know that “who dares wins Gods Good Fortune” and this is what is in which Puran, Veda or Gita Sloka??? (I know, dont ask). So, what is the result - Gor Kali Yuga??? Let’s burn images like the lovely mullas of anyone we disagree with yes???
Where do you people get educated? Don’t you know that the world can read your comments??? Have you forgotten that the poor illiterate untouchables are not your audience anymore???
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:23 pm
I entirely agree with Swami Ram Dev - Gandhiji’s nonviolence alone would not have brought us independence in 1947.Gandhiji was certainly a very significant player in our freedom struggle but we should acknowledge and honour the many thousands of other freedom fighters who gave their lives for the country. Swami Ramdev is not denying Gandhiji’s contribution, but he is reminding the nation of all the other valiant people without whose sacrifices independence would not have been achieved.
The present Congress Party’s policies and actions seem nonsensical to most thinking Indians . If Gandhiji was living today he would have denounced many of Congress’s policies and leaders and he would have resigned from that party.
January 2nd, 2007 at 5:12 pm
Dilip
So my comment was a little frivilous. However, everyone seems to miss the fact that The Good Lord said to Arjun “Lift your weapon and destroy your foes…..” God is saying commit to the action of war.
Everyone instead labours on ‘the truth, wisdom, ahimsa, rajsik, tamsik, atmaa, jeewa atmaa etc….’ whilst our kin are being hurt daily.
? What is your solution?
? Have given any money to the people of this site or others eg. Shaktimarg, HinduHumanRights, Dalit Aid etc to help us air and attempt to resolve these issues? - I have and will again I state this because giving money is Action. It is what the Gita is saying commit to action!
Have you studied India’s history. Just as a reminder. Whilst we were a military nation with the Rg Veda as our weapon of choice we rose to the heights of Kautilya & CGM. Only when CGM & Gransdon became Jain & Bhuddist fuelling the Ahmisa Element of Gita did India fall. When Ghandi took the Gita instead of the RV we lost 1/3 of our land mass.
India in such a state? What all the North East Christian? Kashmir (whats left) in Moslem dominance and terrorising Hindus? Khalistan? Moslems bombing trains? If comments like mine were heeded Great Agni would burn all the An-Aryans. Kashmir would be Hindu. The North East would be Hindu. No Mulla would dare position that Bharat desh would be the next Islamic state.
I say the filth they bring should be burned. God Bless the Hindus that have stood and martyred in the name of Dharma may they be re-born to continue their glorious work.
I see many ‘learned souls’ writing to this site. I have never seen anyone offer aid to these people who built this site, support physical work eg. JackB’s work at the Blag Club, or give us access to Shaktimarg or HinduHumanRights.
Action - Let’s support the initative of these peoples. Perhaps with a large enough purse we can approach International agencies and governments to stop the violence against the Indigenous Dharma of India and free our land of the terrorists, heritage triators, and 5th colunmists.
Money can can buy peace. Lack of money and folks will get a bottle fill it with gasoline and throw it 20 yards and the general public, a mosque / house gets destroyed (the non politicals) and hate inciters walk away because we do not have funds to negotitate then into peace. Hindus are feeling oppressed in their own country. They have no funds so the will act with molotov cocktails and steel.
I give funds so that Hindus do not act with such rage.
Veda Shakti!
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:22 pm
So the lines have been drawn - on one side stand those of who both take action and talk philosophy and on the other stand those who sit around and talk and talk and talk…
It is easy to misconstrue and be critical from the comfort of one’s own home and it is harder to stand up and be counted…
The reason India is in the state that it is and Hinduism is splintered into the many factions that it is - is that there are too many second guessers, drinking chai and pontificating about “ahisma, pakora’s, truth, wisdom” etc but when a Hindu stands up and expresses an opinion these cushion huggers are quick to denigrate that person or persons. They fall into the BBC trap of pre-facing the word “hindu” by the words “right wing”.
Even on this site, the words “right wing” have been used by so called rationalist Hindus to describe their own breathern, never have they been used to describe any other minority group.
Like the “300″ we Hindus have traitors in our midst but unlike the poor Spartans we will fight on two fronts… the main one will be the advancement and protection of Dharma across this planet … the second one will be a special corps who will guard the rear, the supply chains.
Both will push out to create an “ever expanding wheel” where Our Timeless Dharma will be allowed to flourish….
The great diversity of our religion means that all can have there say… but since Independence it seems that the “non violence crowd” have decided that they are the only one voice to be heard, any one who even raises a strong and but not violent voice are called “right wing” as if the only violence comes from the right (you guys should really go to the communist run state of Bengal)
And what they forget is that the sainthood of the Mahatma (and I love Bupu a great deal) was forged on the rent limbs, the raped bodies and the ruptured hearts of thousands of ordinary men and women who fought for their right to be free.
That is one thing we can never forget.
To all you lovers of “turn the other cheek” I am sorry to say that the second generation and more importantly the third generation of NRI Hindus are sick and tired of being taken for granted, for being in the shadow of the dohti wearing, gandhites who talk non violence and peace but who will shove a daljit out of the way or beat their women folk at home.
The younger generation has had enough of seeing the same old faces at the same old parties having their pictures taken with the same old lying politicans … all in the name of “NRI Hinduism”.
They know that their “elders and betters” are giving new meaning to the word “hyprocrisy” and “corruption”… and they are looking for new leaders and new answers…
Some of these are found in the pages of sites like Hindu Voice, some will be found in the leadership of a new type of NRI Hindu, one that is well educated but is not using that education to look down on the working Hindus, one that is articulate but is not ashamed to speak his/her original language amongst their elders. A leader that is both strong in mind and body and is not afraid to lead from the front…
make no mistake about it my older and more “learned” friends…. there is a revolution coming in NRI Hinduism… the old ways of kow tow ing and begging for scraps from the multi-cultural table are being thrown out
Instead a new Dharmic Class is rising - one that is not blinded by caste, but united by fervour
The same fervour that was felt on the Bridge of Lanka and on the fields of Kurukshetra, the same fervour that was heard in horn of Krsna and felt in the bow of Ram.
The fervour of Dharma.
The days of the chai-pakora crowd are numbers….
The time for your “Big Adios” is at hand…
JB
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:11 pm
I’ve never met Ramdev, or Gandhi Ji, or any of you, as far as I know. But the seeking of truth is ever important. People that prevent the seeking of truth prevent the most important type of worship for truth is god.
Any man should ask questions about history. Any man should seek heros, ethnic and otherwise.
But who is it that nay-says? Who is the skeptic that shouts I know that you are wrong? That is the irreligious. Without a belief, to attack.
Hinduism, like so many other things, is a word trying to grasp an idea. The idea is much greater than the word. We must try to be greater than a word (otherwise we are not really different than christians who worship the word Jesus and muslims who worship the word allah).
But peace will not come. Shanti is within, shanti is in paratman. To think that we will have peace in the worldly order is the ulimate foolishness, even the ultimate faith. There will always be conflict. If there were not, we may as well go to sleep. The question, friends, is how do we respond to conflict? Do we hate (himsa) or do we love (ahimsa) those we disagree with?
I can love my children but still discipline them. This ahimsa is not a carte blanche. Arjuna is told to stand and fight not because of what he will gain but because it is what he must do. Arjuna’s war, for that moment of realization when he has just heard the Gita, is bloodshed of ahimsa. - His ego clouds it later. Thus we must also always be at war, be at action in conflict, and we must always seek that detached renounced action of a soldier dying as he pulls his last trigger.
hariaum
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:32 pm
JackB - Proudly said. I believe that in a previous incarnation you must have served with CGM. Bravo!
Navin - Fine words. Subtle but strong. (worthy of Kautilya)
I have enjoyed reading these words. They are filled with the Spirit of the Aryan. Now we talk like Men of Dharma. The words here are not divisive but intelligent and supportive, they are proud words by men who have never traitored their heritage. Veda Shakti!
If the moderators can organise a meeting count me in.
January 4th, 2007 at 3:47 pm
Swami Ramdev has just touched the periphery of the issue and is right. The Mahatma never understood or conceived of freedom and independence as these really mean in human sense of nation states and societies.He had some loose concept of soliciting benevolence from the our colonial rulers which would hurt no one and the British very well understood this and drew the best advantage from this attitude. Just take a few examples- Is there any instance in human history where the enslaved people have volunteered to fight for the ruler by fielding an army- the Mahatama provided the largest volunteer army of over a million for the British whatever the justification.Subhash was ever suspicious of Mahatama’s ways which he said would leave India more enslaved as it ever was -how true. The creation of the INA and the mutiny in the Indian Navy, the rise of the Soviet Union and the bleeding of the British by the German war machine were collectively contributary to abandonement of the colonies by the British. No Shanti sermons ever won freedom for a people. That the Mahatama’s venerable sayings and precepts are now themselves only confined to commmorations, goshtis and books , pretentious congregations and ofcourse lip service by foreigners is a failure of not the gandhi philosophy but the methods he preached.His society is today totally fragmented , indisciplined, anarchial,Godless and hypocritically bane.Indians have no virility as a nation and no amount of money making or prosperity can imbibe this nation building character. The man of peace would shudder to see how recklessly unpeaceful his India is today, how criminalised his folk. The Imperial stamp was never replaced but lingers as a genie in every corridor of power and influence, in every method and ways of our very governance and the practice of ‘democracy’. Never have ther been people so free and enslaved at the same time as we are today.
January 4th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
Despite all of India’s problems, and I see India as a recent geopolitical construct, it is doing pretty well. The average life expectancey has gone up by 75% (40-70), the economic power of India is one of the highest in the world, the maintenance of a voting system of government (not a real measure of democracy but the currently applied one), the distriubution of wealth (less disparity than the US - see economist some time this year), the educational system which still produces some of the worlds leading engineers, phd’s, docs…
There is no question India has a lot to do. But in the first 50 years of independance in the US slavery was still considered a moral good, and shooting indigenous peoples was sport, it took the UK a hundred plus years after gannymeade before people had a voice, the French were still going back and forth from the reign of terror and Napolean, the Spanish have not yet recovered, the Australians still have not truely integrated the indigenous peoples, the Canadians still have trouble with Quebec and their indigenous peoples…
So, though we need to see the problems of our nations and try to address them, we also need to see that the system overall worked (including a socialist democracy that was poor at making war and defending its borders). If your not convinced, compare India to other nations getting freedom from overt colonialism in the last 50 years - most of Africa, the Middle east, Korea, Vietnam…
hariaum
January 4th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
Well one can argue about our progress in terms of statistics which can be churned out from any angle as an arm chair excersise but let us just take a few examples to draw own conclusions. Economic growth can be a mirage if it depends upon and reflects growth based on consumerism and services with the nation simply a marketing outlet for other’s intellectual property rights. Where a nation cannot field its own manufactured goods competitively, cannot challenge in science, R&D and next generation technology from its own home ground that nation will have its strings controlled from elsewhere which includes its foreign policy and defence. We are in this state and no better.The islands of prosperity which urban India is generating are shallow and transitory and more of quick fix for vertical proliferation of wealth than generating intrinsic strength. You do not grow strong economically by pushing out traditionally strong occupations and replecing these with Malls and SEZs to churn out consumer products. We are actually inflating needs and ignoring necessities. Where we aught to be unchallenged for export in agararian products our farmers are commiting suicdes. I regret the statistics above are are quite unrealistic. The gap between the majority have nots and the small havs has grown ten fold over the past five years. Its purposeless comparing figures against Africa,Mid East and so on . Why cant we postulate on the basis of our own potential?As for the natures of of democracy we practice the less said the better. I
January 4th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
Typical from the followers of Gandhi. Swami Ram Dev Ji needs to be educated that it was largely Gandhi’s and Congress’s policy of appeasement politics that can be blamed for the partition of India in creating a seperate “muslim” voteback by supporting the Muslim League and Khilafah Movement in the first place.
He and his Congress party are the root cause of the problems India still faces today continuing with the home grown terrorism within India all demanding more and more chunks of India to be partitioned into mini Pakistans.
BTW - I LOVE THOSE PICTURES!
January 5th, 2007 at 6:54 am
I believe Swami Ram Dev did not have any intention what so ever in insulting one of India’s greatest hero…As a citizen who loves his country deeply, he has the right to speak anything what he thinks is concerning…Those people of the congress should be a shame of themself carrying out the word ‘BEHEAD’ in their poster. I say those word should be carry out against the Kashmir and East Indian rebels.
I believe that the Indian nation should take real action against the enemy of Vedic culture…
I am Indonesian…Indonesia has countless names of Indonesian Hindus who died fighting in the freedom war against the Dutch, fighting for a country where most people are Moslem…My late grandpa is one of those freedom fighters.
Non Violence is cool and all but violence is also necessary to show our enemy that we are not lame.
January 7th, 2007 at 3:09 am
Well said Krisna
Let me ask you to formally become a member of the “300″ a new group that is being organised by myself and my good buddy Deeno Sharma (if that is okay mate)… the goal is to have at least “300″ Hindus, one or more from each country in the world (where hindu’s live)…
The rise of NRI Hinduism is now beginning….
“Give them nothing but take from them EVERYTHING”
“We will crave our collective name in the hard granite of history”
“We march to our destiny with fire in the heart and ice in the mind”
January 8th, 2007 at 1:13 am
much before gandhi came to india from uk the british cowards had already moved the cpital from calcutta fto delhi out of fear of the indian patrioits who made such asssacrifice and made the life odef engluish bastrds difficlut.itis they -especially the people of gram dal of congress to whom we owe indepdnece.
June 1998.
Indian anglophile class -especially indian english language media -is a race of Coolies and traitors.
the same class of indians who are doing propaganda agasinty china today are the same people who forced rajiv gandhi in 1987 to make friendship with china(and recognise tibet as part of china) why-? because the usa had ben friend with china since 1984 and wanted india tobe friend too as opposed to russia.-therefore the indian parasite class foll=made the idnian foreing policy viz china not to suit india but to suit american interests-itis doing the same but in revere dirtection because their angloamerican masters want them to do it.
Congratulations to pakistan also for having exploded atomic bomb like India rightly did!
History is
full of nations much poorer, improving themselves first by making themselves militarily victorious
,by fair or foul means,over much richer and superior civilizations. That is exactly how
a race of pirate turned shopkeepers that is England and America made themselves rich.That is also why these pirate race of anglo-americans want to keep the ill gotten advantage by denying othersany means to get power or independence.That is the philosophy of nato.Who bothered about America before it stole Nuclear Technology from Germans? The other prominent makers of first atomic bomb were Italians and Hungarians,and thir country does not posses nuclear weaopn.From Americans who stole the technology did the british steal it.America also stole from the Germans Rocket and missiles technology.Now they want to make world astand still as it was in late ’91s through self drafted this pact and that pact.Now they want others not to have the same technology. In the same way the british stole Tea production technology , china making tech and what not from China.How much the british tea companies and british china making ones like royal daulton paying royalty to China?none!But they want others to pay for rubbish tech of ’60s retrospectivelly!! In fact even France is fed up with this cancerous anglo-american push to sell,indtead of much better Fernch food,rather rubbish tasteless food of anglo-saxons processed food industy which pushes for rotten and infected food like british beef. India should have sided with France and China to push for common interests.But India chose,under pressure from Anglophile english paper reading minority,to succumb to Low quality rubbish anglo-american products. And Pakistan
understands this duplicity and is not afraid to disturb that cosy arrangement of these anglo-american shopkeepers.
As for Bhutto saying that they will rather eat grass than not have bomb,
they have full filled that ambition when their prime minister asked pakistanis to
be prepared to even save in eating.Contrast that with response of Indian english knowing
class and their agents as represented by Indian english papers whose only worry
was that so called liberalization does not get stuck off.In fact Indian
atomic arsenal is necessary so that a country like america(whose infra-structure
know how and technology is much inferior to that of Germany,France and Italy) does not force
India(as it has been doing for some time) to accept third grade tech, and rubbish so called consumer goods .And here there are these english papers in India who were urging andia to give quick and special rebates
to americans .Those very americans who have always and will always act against India
and Indian interests.In fact America and britain(who really governs american foreing ,defence and economic policy)will always support pakisatan not be4cause they love pakis,on the contraire,but because for them pakisatan is an ideal means to poke and put a thorn on the body of India. These english papers and all cheap things that
they represent talk of India doing all those things that is already known to be agenda of american and british for India.It is no surprise.
The english media and so called westernized Indians are the voluntary (and sometimes paid) agents of foreign interests.They do not represent western interest either : they represent anglo-american interests which is an interest
of exploitation and by the sopkeepers race(anglo-americans) with not a single
drop of culture or taste. And one of these english papers was saying,when camparing India with pakistan than India has a large number of english speaking population(as if that was a positive thing even if it were true!) forgetting to add that
despite that those countries who consider themselves english speaking(and they do not include in that anyone but their own shopkeepers race of anglo-saxons)never at anytime have given value to Indians while always giving all help to (less english speaking!) Pakistan. Only thing
is India lose out on translators who would have been recruited from amonst Hindi speaking peoples!.(most of indians).
In fact these english speaking countries consider these english speakingIndians as coolies-which in fact they are.And pakistanies have refused themselves to be relegated to the status of coolies.Because they have self respect which these english media peoples(in India) have not got.Ten years ago the president of Ficci,an industry organisation and darling of Indian english media had demanded of Govt. of Indiato reduce armed forces(at height of kashmir and Punjab insurrection) and give free reign to foreign firms.And that sort of demand became a reality when Manmohan singh became
finance minister and narsingh Rao succemed to american pressure to not
only not test atom bomb but also pack up Agni missiles programmes. All the things that a
foreign enemy country would have demanded and america di demand. It is no surprise .Because
Manmohan singh, narsingh rao and all english media (who supported that illegal minority govt.with out mandate to bring fundamental change in India’s self reliability)-asll these creaures were and will
continue to be agents of foreign interests-paid or otherwise(resulting from their cooliness or in other words from their deep sense of inferiority complex).Thes creatures must be ferreted out from
political,economic and social power that they have misappropiated.In fact it would be better if these creatures
are sent to Pakistan who knows how to treat such sort of traitors. A govt. first duty is to protect her citizens from external and internal danger. These elites oppose that. At the same time naturally
these parasitic elites also oppose the main obligation of a citizen to the govt.-that is to give taxes.In fact only by the right of taking taxes is the govt.recognignized.If India has 200 millions of middle class,as these english indian media always talk about,then where is the corresponding income tax revenue to the Govt. of India?But these english reading population is the biggest tax evader any where in the world.
But What the Prime minister Mr. Bajpaye does? He ,in stead of attacking previous congress govt. and Janta Dal govt.(whose Gujral and Mulayam singh are disgrace to India having created nearly a revolt
in Indian Army)-He becomes apologtic and agrees to put self memoratorium. Instead of testing much bigger Hydrogen momb of such magnitude that 2 or 3 of them would be sufficient to destroy whole of pakistan,He
simply backs down on western pressure and pressure from western agents like english media in india and pressure from those peoples whose vote bank is peoples of dubious loyalty. Ofcourse that big hydrogen bomb would
be neede ,noyt to be used but to provide deterrence_that is the purpose of atomic weopon.But this Prime minister is
so much eager to please foriegn anglo-american countries(true enemiy of India) that he adrres Parliament not in his language but in english.That is why in recent rally of child labourers (children of 4 to 14 yers)-who could not even get primary education-
was addressed by the leaders in India in english.That is how much India has become a nation
of coolies and hangers on rather than develop any leader ship quality with confidence. And that is why george Fernances-not a friend of america-started making China a villain in the hope of appeasing America-number one enemy of India. Wht Gerge should have said,and what he has realized too late,
is that if others can keep nuclear missiles then so can India.And matter ends there.BUt no. he had
to appease real enemy of India-which are America and England-by annoying an asian super power.
Now what is the solution after this mess up.? First India has to devewlop long range nuclear missiles
and nuclear submarine ,able to attack America,so that India can deal with all sorts of challenge and not repeat
blackmail of Irak by anglo-american counties. And it has to rely on Herself.Give less social or economic position
to english lovers. Secondly India has to deveop bigger Hydrogen bomb-The previos test cdone in one go are not enough.Pakistan does not care about others’s opinion; India also needs confidence.
Thirdly India should agree to hand over Kashmir(which is gone within 10 years anyway) with
forcefull tranfer of muslim Population from India to kashmir and pakistan of those who are co-religionists of pakistan but living in India.
That will cut the bottom of so called secularists-who must also be sent forcibly to Pakistan and they willpreach secularism to pakistanies. As for the likes of Manmohan singh,Narsingha rao,Mulayamsingh yadavand their kinds-They must be beaten to death by a lynching mob so that in future nobody(and especialyy english lovers) will
ever dare to do so much harm to India.
January 8th, 2007 at 1:15 am
JUne 1998.
Why is India so keen to sign rubbish discriminating treaty?_
Before the govt. of india and the self respect lacking elite of
India start any seroious discussion with anybody(more so with india’s enemy
like u.s.a.)on nuclear treaty ,it must declare what it has in mind and
ask for peoples’ mandate in way of refrendrum.After all in u.s.a. the presidents have been elected on hawkish pro-nuclear
programme and even a third rate country like u.k. had elected three t