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Sikh group attacks multi-faith temples

A Sikh campaign group recently stormed two temples to remove the Guru Granth Sahib from the premises, on the pretext that the Sikh holy book should not be present at premises where ‘non-Sikh worship’ takes place.The two temples were the Ek Nivas temple in Wolverhampton, which serves a mixed Hindu and Sikh congregation, and the Guru Wadbagh Singh Trust Gurudwara in Greenford.

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40 Responses to “Sikh group attacks multi-faith temples”

  1. Sidharth Says:

    Watch out for the Sikhs. They are no friends of Hindus. The ones living in Canada and England are especially cunning. Watch out when dealing with Sikhs. They have no compunction about deceiving Hindus, burning the Indian flag or smashing moortis.

  2. Dangerous Says:

    I think you’re being too sweeping in your comment, Siddhart. Most Sikhs who I know would think this kind of behaviour (storming temples) quite disgraceful - its only a minority who have such intense hatred (Khalistanis).

  3. Mansukh Chhiba Says:

    I agree with Sidharth. We have extremists everywhere including Hinduism. The overwhelming number of Sikhs , like the majority of Hindus simply want unity. Off course Sikhism is a separate faith and rightly it should be considered such. However we have similar agendas namely protection of Dharma , the safeguarding of Mother India and the propagation of our faith. We have more similarities than differences. We should concentrate on our mutual common grounds. How can we seek unity with Christians and Muslims when we fail to see eye to eye ourselves ?
    Jai Shri Krishna.

  4. Pritesh Patel Says:

    Jai Sri Krishna

    This very sensitive issue must be views from various viewpoints before immaturely insulting our Sikh brothers and Sisters, who are largely very nice people! With the rise in radical Islam we Hindus and Sikhs need to work together more.

    In a nutshell this whole anti-Hindu sentiment from some Sikhs boils down to messy post- independence politics. From the partition of the Sikh homeland in 1947 right up to the storming of the Golden temple in 84 many Sikhs felt contempt and let down by the Indian Government after the rise of Hindutva, Hinduism itself. This issue with the Granth Sahibs/Mandir violence stems from the growing sentiment that traditional orthodox Sikhism is becoming diluted under the motto that Sikhs are part of Hinduism. Now this issue of whether Sikhism is part of Hinduism is very complex and cannot be given clear cut answers. But recently in the name of Hindutva many politicised Hindus have been overenthusiastic about the inclusion of Sikhs as Hindus and have often said or done things which are clearly against the tenants of Sikhism which has offended Sikhs, who feel that there independence in individuality is being undermined.

    However I am not condoning the intimidating actions of the Sikh youth at the two temples. As well as over enthusiastic Hindu politics, many Sikhs fail to appreciate that the boundaries between the two faiths are fuzzy and that the cross over in temples such as EK niwas is not down to Hindus per se. Sikhism didn’t develop neatly; there are many branches of the faith that differ to the mainstream in their interpretations. This goes back right to Guru Nanak, whose son Srichand became a Sanyasi-Sadu (celibate hermit), as his practice was against Guru Nanak’s teachings Srichand’s movement broke away from the mainstream. Another example is that Sikhs have married Hindus for centuries so many Punjabi families tend to practice both religions which explains a lot of what happens at the Ek Niwas temple.

    To summarise my rather long message, my main response is that all of us need to be more sensitive of others beliefs. Some Sikhs need to realise that Sikhism didn’t originate in a vacuum and that their scriptures contain hymns of many Hindu Saints, such as Kabir and Namdev. Likewise some Hindus need to appreciate and respect that mainstream Sikhism doesn’t recognise this ‘universal Hinduism’ stuff. And finally on a very personal note I think Hindu temples should stick to authentic scriptural protocol, yes we are very diverse and pluralistic religion but by sticking to the traditional Vedas and Agamas to can not offend anyone.

  5. Maninder Says:

    Guru Granth Sahib Ji is our LIVING GURU………. there is proper prescribe way for the Sewa & parkash of Guru Granth Sahib ji. The language of Guru Granth Sahib ji is Gurmukh which other people cannot understand and Guru Granth Sahib ji is not a book for us. Assin us dian sikhya nu apne jivan vich dhal de hain.

    Sikhs sud not worshipp idols , also Prakash [ Installation ] of SGGS ji sud not be done at a place where Idol worshipp is happening

    PLEASE DONT CONSIDER IT AS ANTI-HNDU ACTIVITY, but its a Sikh Rehat Maryada . [ Sikh principles and disciplines ]

    Also , where prakash [ Installation ] of SGGS Ji is there , no Idol worshipping , havan , aarti , janeu etc and other rituals sud be excercise . As our gurus asked to stop fake rituals in society and try to understand GOD thru reciting Gurbaani .

  6. Vinod Dawda Says:

    As a Hindu I am aware that Sikh came into defibition in response to the tyranny of the Moghuls. I deeply respect the ten Gurus who contributed so immensely to the spiritual well being of those persecuted. I find it hard to believe that anyone should take offense when I show my respect to my ancestors who gave so much at the cost of their personal well being. I can only conclude that such offense can only be taken by someone who is against the spirit of the teachings of the great Gurus.
    As a Hindu I feel the same respect for Mahavir and Buddha who enriched the inner lives of millions. It is a soul searching issue when we consider that none of these great teachers would have suggested killing anyone if they disagreed with their teachings. How can I not be allowed to pay respect to these great souls?

    Let us not forget that Hinduism is a relatively recently coined label. The fluidity of the spiritual teachings and traditions of the region called South Asia has been a continuous process spanning several millenia. It is much restrictive to confine these systems to few writings and ignore the dynamic process of the search for the ultimate reality. It is not hard to see why the present day Hindu feels hurt when he is denied to believe that the infinte can express in all forms and no form simultaneously! It is same hurt with incredulity that hits a Hindu when he finds attempts to coerce someone to change their beliefs to their religion which promises a short cut and a more reliable path to achieving self realisation.

  7. Ram Says:

    Either I’m getting confused but maybe I’m not getting the point but

    “Sikhs sud not worshipp idols , also Prakash [ Installation ] of SGGS ji sud not be done at a place where Idol worshipp is happening ”

    Ok maybe you think its an Idol even though to a Hindu it is not but then whats this ?

    “Guru Granth Sahib Ji is our LIVING GURU………. there is proper prescribe way for the Sewa & parkash of Guru Granth Sahib ji.”

    Just as you say that Hindu deity is an Idol then we can say that the Guru Granth Sahibji is just a book made out of paper and its not living.And then you say further

    “As our gurus asked to stop fake rituals in society and try to understand GOD thru reciting Gurbaani . “

  8. Ram Says:

    “As our gurus asked to stop fake rituals in society and try to understand GOD thru reciting Gurbaani . “

    So wearing the five Ks and taking amrit or fanning the Guru Granth Sahib or walking around the Guru Granth SaHib when getting married isn’t rituals then? Either there is a original philosophical explanation or its just plain simple hatered against Hindus.

  9. balginder Says:

    i thought hindus and sikhs were friends and have a peaceful realationship , but i must have been naive as more and more religious groups are formed the more these groups turn to violence.

    i think sikhs forget that sikhisum start from hinduisam

  10. balginder(sikh) Says:

    muslim’s will love to see us fighting so they can destroy us both unity is the only way in the end if we dont make a mutual agreement our relegions are doomed

  11. Mahesh Says:

    IN THOSAND YEARS HINDUS SUFFERED AND THEIR SCRIPTURES GOT SO MUCH CONTAMINATED BY UNAUTHORISED PEOPLE THAT CONFUSION WAS CREATED AND THATS WHY WE SEE TODAY OUR OWN BRETHEREN ARE MISGUIDED AND LOST. I HAVE SO MANY SIKHS WHO WILL SAY GURUS NEVER ASKED THEIR FOLLOWERS TO ATTACKED ANY FAITH.
    50 YEARS OF OUR NEIGHBOURS DID ONLY ONE THING TO DIVIDE OUR COMMUNITY THIS WAY.

  12. Nehru Lall Says:

    Oh my Oh my! Those minority hot heads are now joining in the idol bashing; do they not realise that when they perform any ritual they are worshiping some thing and not just an idea, do they not have an alter and some paraphernalia in and around the alter, do they not wear a beard and a head gear and other non-hindu items to give themselves a seperate identity? And isn’t all this presenting a certain image of themselves to the world which is a form of worship. When one looks in the mirror, one is looking at an image of oneself, this image is clothed and decorated in various ways and throughout the day one is looking at all sorts of images of the SELF (that Hindu philosophy talks about) in various forms of life.

    Hindu philosophy distinguishes the world of representation from the reality and pays appropriate respect to world of representation - the Sikh should understand this and perhaps learn form it - and think when they are performing rituals whether they are worshiping their guru or the ideas of their guru and whether they have an image of their guru in their minds or not.

    Nehru Lall

  13. Dharmesh Agravat Says:

    I have always seen these Sikhs as a force of evil, trying to dominate Hindus even though we outnumber them by far in the UK. Seems as though now they have gained a little momentum and are actually making their presence felt, Hindu areas should combat this by making our own stand, its true what Siddharth said these sikhs nowadays are cunning and have no qualms of demonstarting their hate of India and Hindus, so why should we show them any compassion at all, annihilate them!

  14. Mansukh Chhiba Says:

    Dear brother Dharmesh,
    After we have “annihilated” the Sikh,what then ? Do we target Vaishnavas,Saivaites,Arya Samajis ??? You see there can be no end in site when one pursues a policy of violence,intimidation and discrimination. Whilst we need to be vigilant , we should remember we have scores of ekeletons in our own cupboard which we need to eliminate first , namely caste descrimination,corruption,racism and fanaticism. By cupboard I am refering to our inner self…
    Let us hold up the core believe system of Hinduism:tolerance. Only this time do not mistake it for weakness,lazyness and ignorance.
    God spead…
    Jai Shri Krishna.

  15. Satya Says:

    Hmm…

    Some Sikhs view keeping the Guru Granth Sahib in places where Hindu worship takes place as insulting to Sikhism.

    Some Hindus view keeping Hindu images in places where certain other activities take place as insulting to Hinduism.

    So we all fight with each other, and the only winner is intolerance.

  16. andrew Says:

    People have not learnt they lessions. The only true Religion in the world is: Service to all Human Beings”, this is what every religion teaches, and nobody follows. They will kill and die for they religion,but wont live by it then. They should study they religions first, and find what it teaches and says,then you will understand God and your fellowmens. God blees you all.

  17. Dr.Faqir chand Says:

    Stope the Talibanisation of Sikhism.Sikhism is a part of Hinduism.Those who attact the mix worship places for both Hindus & Sikhs are evil,They did not know the entier teaching of Guru Granth sahib ji.
    Arya smaj & Radeswami groups also not belive on Muri pujan,but the are part of Hinduism. Sikhism also belive on priority of soul on body, rebirth& 84 laks juns.The real goul is Moksha( Mukti)from rebirth.Taliban Sikha are didnot undrestaning this.The great sacrifce of Sikh Gurus specialy Guru Gobind Singh & his four sons are to protect the Tilak & Janu of Hindus from Muslems invedors.

  18. JackB Says:

    Let each religion have its own identity.

    If the Sikhs are unhappy with ritual done with Hindus then Hindus should stop.

    Hindu’s have to got to start standing on their own two feet and stop trying to be inclusive to everyone.

    We need to forge our own Hindu Identity and then from a position of power we can then engage in constructive dialogue with other faiths.

    Those who say that the Sikhs, the Jains etc are all part of the great Hindu family are misguided.

    Sort out Hinduism first, let the sikhs forge their own identity. Then we can create a new dialogue. There will always people in each camp who will never negotiate but they are a minority.

    So look at Hindu issues for hindu people and get those sorted out, and then take we can look outwards.

  19. Vinod Dawda Says:

    Mr JackB has interesting suggestions. It is hard to narrow down Hinduism. The diversity of traditions and rituals is phenominal. The belief systems taken together would include almost all known beliefs.

    Perhaps Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists are not a part of Hindu family but they all indeed are a part of ONE family. What remains is giving that family a name!

    I wonder what Hindu issues we should look at that are radically different fron other religions. Perhaps lack of compassion and intolerance spring to my mind. However is it not a common problem with champions of all belief systems?

    It would be good to have different views on this excellent platform.

  20. Navin Says:

    was the attack limited to hindu temples? what of libraries, mosques, churches, schools - are these also to be attacked for the purity of book shaped idol worshippers?

    Did they choose temples because they are easy targets really implying the openess of hindus and the cowardice of the attackers? We accept all seeking the truth as part of hinduism. idolaters circambulate mecca, worship books, bow before a name, or statue… we all need such idols. People who attack ignorance shoud chose what to attack - the human is god created, the ideology is a simplification of reality. Simple minds take simple actions that accomplish nothing - they attack what is indeed an idol of their own mind’s creation; they are ashamed of their own ineptitude. We welcome them when they are ready to seek the truth.

    hariaum

  21. Rashtravardhan Arora Says:

    How they so mean ???

    Respected Holy Book Guru Granth Sahib is collection of great teachings of various prophets editted by Sikh gurus. If this Granth is placed in a sacred temple for respect and pray, is great honour to the Sikh community. If there are other idols in the same premises, it shows Granth Sahib is honoured and respected by other community.

    A minority section of Sikh community always busy in finding new actions to create hatred in the community itself, which basically reduce the respect for this warrier community having great respect in so called Hindu community. For satisfaction of their short sighted interests to keep existance at the cost of whole community, they hardly have any importance in India.

    For their mean interests, they are loosing the respect for meaningful history of Skhism.

  22. Navin Says:

    All humans are our brothers. Duryodhana, Arjuna, Ravana, Krishna…. ALL.
    hariaum

  23. Satya Says:

    Might I respectfully request the Moderators of this forum to step in vis-a-vis the exchange between gita and Dharmesh Agravat; I’m not entirely convinced that such things have any place in such a discussion or on this site. Many thanks in advance.

  24. Deeno Sharma Says:

    I agree with Darmesh Agarvat - ‘Hindu areas need to stand their ground’ and show this daily.

    a) The Swastika - hang it in Indian neighbourhoods and front lawns

    Oh sorry Hindus are too worried bout upsetting the natives or other factions. I say if they can hang the St George, Crescent, The Khalsa we should also be free to hang the swastika.

    Unfortunately Hindus don’t do anything. Just like the Jews.

    ATB

  25. Nehru Lall Says:

    I agree with what Satya says about moderating our language. We must choose our language carefully, especially Hindus because we should not give the impression that we are vulgar. If people from other religions criticize us we must provide arguments based on reason to show where they have gone wrong - there is plenty of Wisdon within our religion to draw from.

    Nehru.

  26. sikh Says:

    Accept for some of the comments made by few of the people on this thread im actually shocked at some of the responses i thought the responses would be full of anger and hatred towards the sikhs but honestly im blown away by some of the peoples answers to respect the sikh faith and the sikh faith as a seperate faith from hinduism, like WOW honestly.

    Dr.Faqir chand sikhism wasn’t created to protect hinduism from islam it was created to spread and live by gods message not to protect hindus but to help humanity to love everyone, and to protect others and help the poor just overall contribute to humanity and spread the love of god.

    Nehru Lall and Ram and navin walking around or bowing down to the guru granth sahib isn’t a form of worship at all it’s a way of showing are respect for the guru granth sahib we are not allowed to worship any of the gurus but we do respect them like one would respect his elders.

    dharmesh agravat and deeno sharma haha i ask you guys to stop talking the talk but actually start walking the walk go out and TRY attacking sikhs and see how you guys end up if you guys have the balls to. But im pretty sure you guy’s are to scared but i hope you guys do some day grow the courage to try insulting or attacking a sikh face to face so you guys are tought a lesson you will never forget.
    Start a gang with your dumb RSS followers

    Reasion alot of sikhs hold anger towards hindus is that they believe hindus are trying to destroy sikhism or swallow it up, that they won’t respect us for being a seperate faith.

  27. Deeno Sharma Says:

    Listen Sikh. I have walked the walk. And done my time both in the US & UK. But it wasn’t for attacking the Sikhs. For me you people will die as you came. India grows regardless of your divisive antics.

    Remember always when you look at yourself - YOU and your parentage Traitored your heritage. You changed. Then you bite the hand that raised you.

    Attack Sikhs. Easy - One Motolov Cocktail (additives as required) and a band of you will bite the dust. So you will kill me along the way. ONE problem. I return Again & Again I am blessed as Hindu - We live forever.

    I personally have bigger problems that the Little Sikh nation. My heart is Indian so the problems in the NE are my quest. See I am not preaching Attack the Sikhs. You know why? Because I care about India. Guess you have to be a Hindu to feel such Pride. The NE will be used by Bangladesh, Burma, & Christians to hurt India. So their lies my challenge and the challenge of every True Indian!

    So keep looking at your small world. It will disappear, for your care is not for India.

    PS - We don’t want Sikhs included in Hinduism (only weak Hindus call for this) we would like the Sikhs to watch as India grows stronger and stronger even with Khalistanis, Jehadis, Christians and Commies tear at it. It still grows because the Mass of the Populous have maintained their Heritage even in the face of death, torture and oppression.

    One day you will meet me An-Aryan have every faith in that.

    Veda Shakti!

  28. Navin Says:

    Sikh - a lot of so called religious people quible aobut words. How do you distinguish between carrying a book on your head v carrying Ganesha on your head? They are both acts of idolatry; much like having your whole population bow down to one spot on the earth - mecca. These are all idolatries. Someone with a limited perspective will say “my religion does not have idols, my bowing down is not worship, my protecting a book in a special room is not a superstition but yours is. ” This is utter nonsense, ethnocnetric indoctrination at best.

    You, and muslims, and christians will say I’ve got it wrong and that you do not worship these things. But then perhaps you actually have it wrong in defining worship. The christo-islamic group likes to consider us as idolaters when their religions are full of idols. So now you might say that a guru is not to be worshiped. But then you, like the christo-islmists, have established that god is not present in your guru, your book… Yet who are you to say that god is not here, not there? Once you realize the idolatry, once you realize reality past words, you see that god is everywhere and thus all things, all persons are worthy of worship. Then what is it that you are not worshiping? Do you not worship the book of the word of god? do you not bow down to your elders and worship their life experience which is an expression of god? Is your religion to teach you arrogance to past teachers? OH I know, you are respecting your elders while we are worshiping them - nonsense.

    But my real question was why did the Sikhs attack Hindu temples. I believe it is simply because dogs like to pick easy fights. They bark at people that give them peace to do what they want. They dare not attack other dogs (chritso-islamic or secular centers where the Grant is also kept). So they attack civilized people becuase they know civilized people have restraint, they are civil. In effect it is because they lack real courage. Real courage would demand they stand up to their elders and preach how their view is wrong. Real courage is to say I can live by the book without ego. Real courage is to come out in the open and say I did this act and you can use your justice to punish me because that is my reward.

    After they get real courage, then they can get real religion that says whether they call their religion sikh, or muslim, or christian, or hindu god is one and we are all brothers trying to find the infinite truth behind our idolatorous objects pointing us in that direction.

    hariaum

  29. sikh Says:

    navin don’t refer to people who commit these crimes as sikhs because usually they have no knowledge, their are sikhs that that stand up against and fight back against the muslims especially in england, and with christians most sikhs agree it’s the lack of sikh education thats causing people to convert if they know nothing about their faith then it’s easy for them to convert if more people were educated sikhism we would have alot less people convert, but people have freedom to choose which ever religion they want its a major sin in sikhism to stop someone from doing this.

  30. sikh Says:

    Navin so to say sikhs don’t stand up to muslims is a complete lie because they do it all the time since sikhism was born and the sikh community is the one standing up against the muslim community more then anyone else in england, as well to clarify sikhism we are not allowed to worship the guru granth sahib or any of the guru’s are purpose is to meditate on god, their is a difference between worshipping and paying respect to the gurus and the guru granth sahib just like that article on this website about hindus respecting cows not worshipping them. Navin please look up the definition of the word respect and then the word worship two different things.

  31. ravi sharma Says:

    wahu guru ji ka khalsa

    i think we have forgotton guru nanak;s ji message of tolerence. there is no Hindu no muslaman, mecca is anywhere , krishna is everywhere.

    look into the guru granth ….have you read it ? it teaches unity, love peace , nam simaran, (recite gods name) , seva, wand chako .

    The guru promoted one god through many names in the Guru Granth ( Krishna , Shiva , Brahma , Allah akhbar . all these names are in the granth pls look to see , baba nanak gave message that i am Brahma i am Allah i am Buddha just look with your heart and you will see!!!!!!

    If the guru granth Sahib is being held with respect in mandhir along with other dieites what is the bad in this…….many communites due to persecution always have had deites and granth ji in their temples eg Afgani community , pakistani hindu community and Sindhi communities.

    Please look further into granth before you do things that the Guru will feel is disrespectful , i think your actions have offended the guru’s as they have promoted tolerence …you have done what muslims done to sikhs and hindus under regime of Aurungzeb mogul….!!!!!!

    Sat nam sri wahi Guru
    Jai sri Ram , Jai sri Krishna

  32. sikh Says:

    ravi sharma very nicely put, but do you mean my actions have offended the gurus. But yes sikhism is about tolerance and thats why i said people who attacked the mandars are morans.

  33. sikh Says:

    I would like to know why so many articles against sikhs on this website why not any articles about muslims in england.
    But here’s something the writer of this website should consider rather then always posting things about sikhs he can post stuff about muslims or is the owner of hinduvoice worried the muslims will do somethig bad.

  34. sikh Says:

    well got to take some of my above comments back because i just saw an article about muslim extremists targeting hindu and sikhs on the website.

  35. sikh Says:

    Navin their is a huge difference between respect and worship look up the definitions. We respect the guru granth sahib because the words of are guru’s of our teachers are in it, we respect the book like you respect your elders.

    I don’t think hinduism approves of worshipping other humans but it is not approved in sikhism to worship other humans because we are not pure we have sin in us wee commit wrong. We swear we commit adultry we get angry we are not perfect that is why we only worship god. We don’t believe in worshiping statues because they give us nothing not life or anything we worship god the one who gave us everything.

  36. Navin Says:

    Namaste. I salute the divine that is within you. Do I salute the carbon atoms?, Do I solute the nasal discharge? Do I salute the neurochemistry?

    But then why don’t I salute those things? Is it not because my limited consciousness is incapable of realizing that these too are God-create, that from perfection comes perfection? You see a human and find sin. I can see what you mean. But I am trying to see that Hindu ideal that this world is perfection of a perfect god, not mistakes of a lesser god that need to be saved, but the products of a supreme being for a supreme purpose. Thus is the whole universe, the dirt to the stars, the muck to the lotus flower. This whole thing we see is divine. To fail to worship this divine creation is arrogance - I am only going to worship what I think is divine. Don’t let your ego decide what is respected and what worshiped. It is a meaningless word game of human construction.

    So, my suggestion, be humble before the creation of a greater being than yourself and learn to worship all of its creation. A book does not need to be worshiped and carried over one’s head. A guru’s words do not need to be recited verbatim. These are only arrows on the path and the path is Krishna. So do worship it all (as best as you can), see Krishna in all (at least try), touch the feet of all (if your back can handle that spiritual strain), bow down to the clod of earth and chant Namaskar! And once in a while you will find a finite piece of matter, put together in just the right way, to inspire you to go where your ego thus far prevents your insight. Call that matter your idol, your grant, your guru - whatever you like. In the end it is still Krishna and Krishna accepts the bhakti of all who worship for the worshiping itself is greater than the matter in front of you - we all only worship Krishna though we obscure it by silly human constructions.

    hariaum

  37. Ranveer Says:

    Sikh,

    You must be a militant. The Sikhs in the UK and Canada are ignorant fools. A sikh was heading the Indian Army till recently and so is our prime minister. Sikhs in UK funding fundamentalist organisations to stike terror in India are just wasting your time. Punjab has around 45 % or more hindu population but still sikhs abroad think its 100% sikh.

    Long live India.

  38. Keshav Says:

    Sikh-
    You seem reasonable so let me talk reasonably with you and I hope you will reciprocate.

    Hindus do not like to be called idolaters any more than you like to be called Hindu, so please don’t do it. We do not worship idols - we do not believe that the statue is God. God is everywhere - this is confirmed by many stories in the Vedas, Upanishads, Gita, Puranas, etc.

    The conception of God does not change so much from religion to religion as you think. Ask anyone where God is they will point upwards or around them - it really doesn’t change all that much.

    We use idols for meditation, to give form to the formless. It may be futile, but it helps the average person conceptualize the Infinite, which is close to impossible unless the Gods themselves come down and give it to us, which won’t be happening anytime soon.

    Please understand this. Let’s not continue stereotypes and misunderstandings of each other when there are already so many created by people outside both of our communities.

    Keshav

  39. ravi Sharma Says:

    i have just come back from Pakistan and have visited many gurudwaras and mandhirs there, one thing i saw was the unity of sikhism and hinduism- gurudwaras with ganesha’a mandhirs with staues of babaji it was wonderful……

    guru nanak was against the false brahmins that used idol worship to feed thier bellies, he was against blind faith and rituals that meant nothing…..Sikhism is hinduism reformed - remember this !!!!!! The Guru granth is revered just like krishna - the granth is a message to the world living to all to see- krishna soke in Gita . There are so many parellels in both faiths that we must protect each other-

    the sikhs that did this abhorrent act are not true sikhs - look in the gurudwaras at the commitee members are they sikh?

    my question to you is that if the Guru Granth is in a mandhir then is that not sikhism - why? But commitee memebrs abusing the gurudwara and everything that the bani is against is OK? please open your eyes and do not attack someone good.

    wahe guru ji ka kalsa

  40. Dips odedra Says:

    The great ravi sharma returns!!

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