Gita Jayanti & you
On December 1st was Gita Jayanti, the festival celebrating the first recital of the Bhagavad Gita by Lord Krishna to his friend and devotee, Arjuna. This took place on the battlefield called the Kurukshetra, situated in the modern Indian state of Haryana, several thousand years ago.
Through the millennia, the Gita has inspired some of the greatest minds in the world, as well as given solace and meaning to the lives of millions of people from all walks of life.
From inspiring freedom struggles, to helping high level corporate executives deal with stress and struggle, the Bhagavad Gita continues to help many eminent personalities fulfil their potential.
December 27th, 2006 at 5:48 pm
Dear Sirs,
Shree Bhagvat Geeta is the best asset that the mankind could have. Why I call it an asset becauze, in my view, it represents the most practical philosophy which tells you to do your duty when called upon to do so and more so if it to destroy the evil forces which trouble mankind.
Yours faithfully
Devinder Thakur
December 27th, 2006 at 5:53 pm
Devinder Thakur - This means you see the Rg Veda as a lesser asset to humankind?
December 28th, 2006 at 12:45 pm
Reply to Deeno Sharma: No. No scriptures are lesser than the Gita. Lord Krishna has said that what He has said in the Gita has been said in other scriptures already. Gita has the essence of all scriptures.
December 28th, 2006 at 6:34 pm
Muslims read Koran religiously. Christians know their Bible fairly well. But most Hindus don’t know what Gita is about let alone study it. For Gita Jayanti celebration, some Hindus will take out their little book of Gita on that day and put some tilak and grains of rice on it as worship of the scripture. Some may recite some chapters of it. Some will remember to recite some chapters at somebody’s death bed.
Swadhyay Parivar has come up with a unique way of celebrating Gita Jayanti. For the past few years, the youth between 16 and 30 years have been pariticipating in Eloqution competition organized by the youth themselves. A topic from the Gita is given few weeks ahead. The Youth study the Gita and prepare a five minute speech for these competitions that are held world wide. This year’s topic was: The Gita is: Arjun’s call for guideance and Lord Krishna’s hand of assurance. About 3.2 million youth through out the world participated. The finalists from all over the world will compete in Mumbai, early January. Not only do these competitions bring awareness in the youths about the contents of the Gita, but also it gives them a chance to study it deeply and give encouragement to apply the principles in their every day life.
I thought that I would share this information with your interested readers.
Ramila Gandhi
Toronto, Canada
December 29th, 2006 at 1:37 am
Ramila.
a) ‘gita contains all’ Why then were we not given the Gita first? What was the point of having the Rg Veda for 3,000years before the gita?
b) You say Moselms, Christians know their book. As a practising Pandit I will tell you that Hindu folk do not know which book to read. Though it is clearly stated that we must study the vedas, you will find everyone (a few excepted) heading for the Gita.
c) The Rg Veda brought us prosperity and strength over 4 thousand years. Within 2.5 thousand years of the Gita the filth from Afganistan (Mahmud) had committed the first Hindu Genocide ay Soamnath. Ghandi took the good book (The Gita) and our land was carved like beef on a butchers block. Notable facts - on both these ocassions the Gita was in ascendency and the Rg Veda was gathering dust. I look forward to your validation of this Gita in light of the foregoing.
I would also thank you for your time to enter this foray.
Veda Shakti!
December 29th, 2006 at 2:45 am
Mr. Sharma,
As I said before, we Hindus have not taken the time to study the Gita. We may run to it because we have been told to recite some Shloks for different occassions. Gita contains the knowledge of all the Vedas and the Upanishads. I gather that since you are a Pandit, you have studied the Rig Veda because of its ritual instructions. No, I have not studied any Vedas. But what I have learned from the Gita gives me tremondous courage to live righteously.
Lord Krishna has shown us the way to live righteously and advance towards Moksh by devotion, karma yoga and knowledge. He has also promised us that whenever there is decline in righteous living, he will come again and again, not only to bring humanity back on the right track but also to help and encourage the righteous people in their effort.
What we are seeing today, and yes, you are right about the inactivity of our people towards Dharmic way of living and fighting Adharma. But that has nothing to do with the Gita. Remember, the Gita was sung by Lord Krishna on the eve of the great war Mahabharat. It was the Gita that got Arjun up from his confused state of mind to fight Adharma. There are many reasons why our people became the way they have become in the last 1500 years or so. For that, one needs to study Bharatiya history in its proper form, not what has been taught to us by the British educated intellectuals. And Gandhiji (not Ghandi)is no exception. He took up non-violence from the Gita and made it his Mantra. Swami Ramdev says rightly that we should not forget the sacrifice of many of our freedom fighters who are responsible for independence of Bharat as well as Gandhiji’s non-violence, non-cooperation movement.
As far as I am concerned, non-violence is a very important value for one’s personal growth. But when it comes to protecting Dharma and righteousness, one needs to look at things in proper perspective.
I don’t think there is any need for dispute as to which scripture is more sacred, more useful for personal, national and universal well being. All our scriptures teach us the right things, including the Ramayan and the Mahabharat. Lord Ram as well as Lord Krishna came to destroy Adharma. We can benefit from each and every one of our scriptures if only we paid some attention to what it is there to teach us.
December 29th, 2006 at 11:52 am
Ramila. UPDATE. Gods’ next incarnation is Kalki. The disolver of life.
So you are very wrong when you say he ‘promised us that whenever there is decline in righteous living, he will come again and again, not only to bring humanity back on the right track ..’ NO This is some Catholic concept. It is wrong Gods next gig is as Kalki
You also did not answer my questions. Show me where as a nation the Gita has given us ascendency. And where was the ascending gita when Adharma (Mahmud) slaughtered Priest, Women, Children? Where was the Gita and our Glorious Lord Shree Krishna when Sikhs were created? And where when Millions were butchered in partition. And Kashmir, And North east India. And Dalits killed by members of their own faith, our faith. If this is not Adharma what the hell is?
I cannot go blindly about my business. I was born Bhramin - To Serve - this community. They want answers not blind faith. Take a look at Indian History and factor in the religious books in service at that time. You will find that during the Rg Veda was our most prosperous and dominant period. This is Indian History not some euro-centric bastardization of our glories.
You are also wrong when you state that I studied the Rg Veda ‘for religious instruction’. It is not a book of religious instruction. It is a book of war & acquisition. Of Pride. Of Men feeling Gods about them. Not waiting for god to come down and set matters right. Setting matters right was the objective of the Rg Vedics. They felt God within and took what was there.
Perhaps you could avail yourself to the Rg Veda www.sacredtexts.com then return to this fray. Thank you for your time.
Veda Shakti!
January 3rd, 2007 at 4:59 pm
This is for those who have a big problem with Lord Krishna and His Gita. To answer some questions by the previous writer on the subject: All Hindus believe that Kalki Avatar is next, the tenth Avatar of Lord Vishnu. Lord Krishna was Purna Avatar and Almighty Himself. Maharshi Ved Vyas has not once said through out the Gita, Shri Krishna Uvaacha. It is always, Shri Bhagavan Uvaacha. He is the Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent Lord Himself. He is also addressed as Yogeshwar - read the last Shlok by Sanjay.
Many bad things that happened in India have been mentioned. And where was Lord Krishna when these things happened? To answer that :God has His ways and plans for this world. And then there is the Law of Karma, on a individual level as well as mass level. Where was God when six million Jews were killed by the Nazis? And where was He when Tsunami struck? Our intellect is limited. We don’t understand everything that happens in the world. That is why Lord Krishna has said, Gahana Karmano Gatihi. All we can do is perform right actions and leave fruits of them to God. And then not forget that we live in the Age of Kali. Maharshi Ved Vyas has forecasted many things happening. What we see happening today is nothing so bad as what is to come in the future as far as our civilization is concerned. For sure, our blood should boil when we see injustice and suffering in the world. But then we should keep a calm mind and see what we can do to make things better. So, my friends, action is what is needed. Everyone can sit in their living rooms and/or at their computer desks and boil. What good will that do?
P.S. Using foul language certainly won’t help.
January 3rd, 2007 at 5:52 pm
People this is a good discussion but keep it calm and respectful.
Thanks
January 3rd, 2007 at 8:21 pm
Deeno Sharma - a quick question:
What difference have YOU personally made by reading the Rig Veda and practising its teachings to the improvement of the situation of Hindus?
The way I see it you are totally deluded in blaming the Gita for the failings of Hindus in more recent times. It is just as stupid as blaming the Rig-Veda for the degeneracy of society that we can glimpse in many parts of Puranic-Itihasic literature, which describe a period when the Vedas would have been the primary texts. Overall, you are a crack-pot. Your understanding of the Vedas seems like a Texan cow-boy’s understanding of the Bible - simplistic, and devoid of contemplation of the true comtemplation and meanings. For example, if I were to ask you, what is a Vedic perspective on economics that could be applied today…what would you say?
Awaiting your reply…
Durga Mata Ki Jai
Bhagavad Gita Ki Jai
Rig Veda Ki Jai
January 3rd, 2007 at 10:26 pm
One more thing Deeno. You heard of Shivaji - the greatest Hindu in the last millennium? (See: http://www.hinduvoice.co.uk/Issues/1/shivaji.htm)
He achieved more than anybody else in creating a renaissant Hindu social and political order. Being of a ‘low caste’, he wasn’t even allowed to read the Vedas (including the Rig Veda) until he was crowned King just a few years before his death - due to the tyrannical brahmins of that time. These Brahmins has Vedic learning, but were mostly useless fellows whose memory shames us. On the other hand, the mainstay of Shivaji’s Hindu education was devotional literature of Hindu saints and stories from the Itihasas (Ramayana and Mahabharata) - and his deeds will make us glow with pride for a thousand years.
My point? A study of the Vedas as opposed to other Hindu literature doesn’t necessarily create more robust Hindus.
In saying this, I don’t mean to respect the Vedas at all - I am just responding to your thoughtless Texan cowboy rubbish.
This example shows that you are quite a confused individual, who really hasn’t thought in much detail about anything.
I wouldn’t blame the failings of Hindus on any major Hindu text, or say a ‘return’ to this or that text is an immediate prescription for an awakened Hindu society. A simplistic buffoon says things like that. The failings of Hindu society are based on a complex array of factors, and require deep thinking. In my opinion, the prime problem is a failure to adapt the essential soul of Hinduism on a social and political system that is suitable to today’s circumstances (i.e. intellectual stagnation). Anyways, I could write more about this, but I’ve said what I’ve had to say in the preceeding paragraphs.
Jai Shivaji Maharaj
Hindu dharma ki jai
January 3rd, 2007 at 10:46 pm
I am just responding to your thoughtless Texan cowboy rubbish.
Dangerous,
You can make your point without being insultive or you could be banned from posting and the same goes for anyone else who shows such behaviour.This is forum for all Hindus and even non-Hindus to discuss issues in a friendly way.I hope I make myself clear.
Thanks
January 4th, 2007 at 12:33 am
One Last thing. I have had the decency of listing my limited contribution to this Great Faith.
Could you now kindly list yours!
January 4th, 2007 at 1:05 am
Hey an entire listing of mine has been removed - What’s happened?
January 4th, 2007 at 3:57 am
Crack Pot? I give a dire warning. As the Swastika was taken from us (ie. no longer our central symbol), Aryans are now white people (those devoid of the Arya faith) so will more be lost. We have chosen to call ourselves Hindu, because Persians et alia chose that for us. Yet The RV says we are the Aryawarth, we toss this aside, well take a look at this and you will see that others see the value in RV terms
http:/www.aryavarta.net
simple matters like these pull others to our titles because we are busy with our new books The Gita, Ramyne, Upnishads.
It seems that as we cannot accept the Vedas as our central literature it is right that we be called Hindus NOT Aryawarth!
Dangerous. The mods. seem to have scrapped my prev post. But quickly. Remember this I brought the word Aryawarth back the Hindus on this site. If you see the power in this then the road ahead will be clearer. I am also fighting to bring the RV to the forefront of our theology.
PS The band produces excellent work listen to Return of the Ancient Prophecy!
I am not sure what happened to my work. But if the moderators allow this post. Good Reading and Listening!
Veda Shakti!
January 4th, 2007 at 5:09 pm
Jai Sri Krishna
You cannot say that he Vedas are better than the Gita or vice versa. The various scritptures have thier purpose and where revealed according to specific purposes at different timea nd places. The Veda samhitas contain many hymns and prayers and instructions for Yagnas. These instructions are very important however with the decrease in Dharma the Sanatan Dharma had to be spread through othe books as well, hence the latter arrival of Gita Ramayana etc. The Rig veda is very sacred however for the average person its meaning can be rather deep and training and great discipline is required for understanding. The GIta however is a shorter more straight to the point, version of the Vedic Dharmic teachings. In this day and age (kaliyuga) getting the right qualification for Vedas is becoming more difficult thus the supreme lord Himself came to earth just before the start of Kaliyuga to give the summary of Vedic-Upnishadic teahings. There are many issues of caste, ritual purity, achman etc.. when studying the Vedas, however there is no question of of restictions when it comes to the Gita.
January 4th, 2007 at 8:33 pm
Pritesh I disagree 100%
Let’s examine yours and the opinion of over 90% of the Hindus that the Vedas is complex and Gita easier. I always examine data delivered so let’s look at the material contained in the books.
RV Bk 1 Shloka 1
3 Through Agni man obtaineth wealth, yea, plenty waxing day by day,
Most rich in heroes, glorious.
RV Bk 1 Shloka 2
7 Mitra, of holy strength, I call, and foe-destroying Varuna,
Who make the oil-fed rite complete.
8 Mitra and Varuna, through Law, lovers and cherishers of Law,
Have ye obtained your might power
RV Bk 1 Shloka 4
2 Come thou to our libations, drink of Soma; Soma-drinker thou!
The rich One’s rapture giveth kine.
3 So may we be acquainted with thine innermost benevolence:
Neglect us not, come hitherward.
8 Thou, Satakratu, drankest this and wast the Vrtras’ slayer; thou
Helpest the warrior in the fray.
I think one easily see that The Rg Veda is a book of War, Acquisition, Might, Pride and God being very much a part of our struggles and celebration. It seems very clear and simple.
NOW THE GITA
Lord Krishna apparently calls for exercise of Ahimsa (Non Violence). Then says – “weapons up Arjun slaughter all foes”. I am confused what to do what to do? Kill Kill Kill or Ahimsa – Non Violence. If all Hindus were unaware of the outcome ALL 100% would have said Ahimsa (including me). Wrong Kill Kill till of 100’s of thousands are dead, only 10 survived. This is mass confusion. Jainist teaching but Vedic in conduct.
It then discusses Atmaa, Jeewa-Atmaa, Raksik, Tamsik, etc. All abstract and spiritual issues which cannot be validated. When you can’t validate then confusion or sheep like following is invoked. Again confusing.
The Gita says respect life then says this body is nothing but clay, dust. It is the Atmaa that is real and cannot be hurt. Yet the masses protect this transient body / life with their all. Don’t kill animals etc Why? The good Lord said this body is only dust so killing it is irrelevant. Confusion again.
Should we do the Yugas? How about Varnas.
So please look very carefully it is the Rg Veda that is simply written avoiding mental conflicts so prevalent in the Gita.
Veda Shakti!
Please demonstrate your ‘isssues’ caste, ritua purity, achman
January 5th, 2007 at 3:16 am
Pick whatever book you want to worship. Pick whatever avatar you want to worship. I have no fear of Kalki; as Ravana, I look forward to being dissolved by God.
Worship power and you chose rajas. Worship surrender and you become tamas. Worship truth and you get gyana .
Why do mortals insist they know the truth better than other mortals. What relevance does that have other than ego agrandizement?
Throw out all the categorical thinking, these are all given to you by some human else. You were not present when the Gita was Written, nor the Vedas, nor the bible, nor the koran. What do you know of the way a book written 5000 years ago or more was supposed to be understood? We all have to discuss how a play by Tagore, Shakespear, or Miller should be interpreted and we know the context of the author’s words. Without the actual cultural context of a book, how can you calim to know what it means.
Is vayu the wind or the spirit? Is Indra a space alien or a prinicple of reality? Is Agni a physical fire or the spiritual touch of God. Is soma an intoxicating drink from a plant or the fact that having a material body (soma) is the most intoxicating thing there is?
The person who answers these questions for you, was s/he alive when these words were put together? Do you not end up worshiping the interprter of books?
Instead, place your own budhi into each and every source of knowledge (veda) whether a book, a teacher, a guru, a thought, or an experience; then sing with the song of God in this world here and now. Your individual song is the amrit. God created you for your song. Is your song to shout out and show how great you and your opinions are or is it to glorify God?
If the truth is too hard for you, well its too hard for me too. But I continue to try. I llike the Gita, the Upanishads, and the Vedas and Einstein, and Darwin, and Shakespeare. I certainly don’t grasp any of them fully, I hope I can grasp each a little.
hariaum
January 5th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
namaskaram to all,
Happy 2007 Navinji
and many thanks to Deenoji for his writing- not that i agree with him, but for Deenoji’s posting, most probably we would have missed such a beauty/clarity enriched posting from our dear Navinji.
very nice indeed
namaskaram
January 5th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
by the way, www.sacredtexts.com is for sale and does not give any info abt RV etc
January 5th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
My most sincere apologies Paira actual site is
http://www.sacred-texts.com
I am so glad that you are enquiring into the RV. It will change your life.
I am not looking for people to agree with me I am seeking to open their thoughtful mind. I am a Hindu. Nor some Moselm or Catholic that seeks blind faith. The beauty of our faith is that it allows you to press for explanation or answer - The True sign of A Confident Faith!
Gods Grace
Deeno
January 5th, 2007 at 3:25 pm
Deenoji,
with due respects, i have some doubts - born out of my ignorance for sure, but sounds reasonable to my mind - until it gets clarified by some reasoning or logic.
I doubt if any one has any objection to the RV. And it is quite o.k. if some one like you hold on to that totally. What surprises me is our attitude that - every one should study that and rest everything is not good enough. May be you are right- i am no one to judge that.
The thought coming to my mind is
a) for any action, some qualification is needed. You are lucky(?) to be born as a brahmin - i mean to parents of brahmin and you are lucky to have had the opportunity to be taught and learn RV. How many years did it take for you to study that? were you having teachers to teach you that?
I have also heard that Veda should be learned under a “good” GURU. Now how can an ignorant soul like me “validate” a GURU to be good or not good?
b) I think the normal logic that extends from the above is that, ( non verifiable) your past Karma has helped u to have this body of a brahmin parentage and you got the oppurtunity to learn and you used your FREEWILL to study that etc.
c) take for eg: Saddam Hussain- he had no chance to learn either RV or any such things. But he is also for sure a part of creation - and his ALMIGHTY is no different from mine and yours. His past Karma gave him a body of that parentage. His using the FREE WILL now has brought him to whatever situation he has been. { and my one friend tells me that we cannot write away Saddam just like that. ….see he was hanged on VAIKUNTTA EKADASI day. let him be not a Hindu, but there should have been some good things he did which are indicated by these happenings…well i dont know what to tell my friend except laugh}. Now the good and bad he has done would have brought him some temporal punishment { hanging} and the SANCHITA KARMA is going to act on by giving him another body to fructify the KARMA PHALA.
does not all these mean somethings? dont you think that every book of KNOWLEDGE what we call scriptures etc teaches us something…if only we have an open mind? Does our learning ends with reading and understanding of RV? in that case why all the upanishads etc?
I feel there is a lot for us to learn and one life is not enough for us to complete this study and one gets to MOKSHA when one realises the BRAHMAN when one has studied all these thru so many lives…which ofcourse we do not know…but the individual gets certain knowledge what he / she had studied in earlier lives by ability to suddenly understanding or getting attracted towards that KNOWLEDGE…
very nice to think….but all non verifiable
enjoy
:-))
January 5th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
Ok very good questions. I do not consider myself blessed to be born Bhramin. I am, however, blessed to be born ‘Hindu’. I pray that when I die I will be born again as such. I cannot imagine being anything else nor do I quest for ‘Heaven’. I like it here, I can’t believe its Kaliyug!
The Truth - The RV has only been in my full access for the last year. When I asked my Gurus to teach me it they paused and said
“I have also heard that Veda should be learned under a “good” GURU. Now how can an ignorant soul like me “validate” a GURU to be good or not good?”
and refused to teach me it. “It is too compkex son, read the Gita. You need high intelligence to appreciate the RV etc etc ” Standard Bhramin crap to deter us from this most holy of books. Bhramins have used The Vedas as their ’spooky mystic book’. My Gurus feared the outcome of me insisting on reading the Mahabharat, they denied that too from me. I had to secretly acquire it and learn it. I was roping mad after reading it. It blossomed to me like an Empire. It was Might, Pride, Honor, etc Clear!
The RV I have had to learn covertly. No Bhramin would teach it to me. So I read it and posed parts of it as questions to my Gurus - One in Particluar - Pandit Kapil - he led me to the answers then he asked where did I come about such writings. I sent him to www.scared-texts.com. Then he said I will help you. Many of my Gurus shake their heads when they watch my work on this blog. But none have said that I am wrong.
I beleive that secretly they are in approval of my releasing this data and publicly they hate me. (Call it The Southern way)
So Pairm. My RV has been fought for. Not taught. I consider it so important because only by reading the RV can one fully appreciate the beauty & complexity of the Gita.
Veda Shakti.
January 9th, 2007 at 6:10 am
And so, DS, is the love you bring to the book. Your love, your seeking the truth, and your trying to live it - this is the true faith of Sanatana Dahrma.
Hariaum
January 10th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
I am surprised that Pairamblr has made no comment since his questions of the 5th jan
January 11th, 2007 at 3:49 am
DSji,
There are many things that i dont understand…when i do not understand, i take my time to read again, discuss with people, to hear what they have to say etc. Your posting too has given me enough job to understand and i didnt yet get a chance to discuss with people who- i think would have studied RV. May be i will get a chance to discuss and then i might be able to comment .
However there are ceratin points that i would like to ref.
1. you do not consider “blessed” to be born “brahmin” but blessed to be born HIndu. while no doubt one can understand that statement, one who understand or trying to understand VEDANTA need not feel either elated or depressed - as the body one gets is the result of the LAW OF KARMA IN ACTION… if one understand that, then one is not bothered about ones’ birth in any community, cast, religion etc…as LAW OF KARMA is universal…it is not depending on ones’ faith or belief. If I do not believe that, it is o.k. for not to believe , but the position does not change. When the scientist said that earth is round not flat and church didnt accept it , whatever be the belief, the situation didnt change. that is the beauty of universl laws. once one understand that, there is no “reaction” as KNOWLEDGE HELPS ONE TO OVER COME THE ‘FEAR’ { since fear is something related to unknown}
2. In one year, you studied and understood RV which indeed is a great thing to happen. While i cannot and would not sit on judgement on your understanding, and i would like to read if there are articles on RV, this situation throws out one more interesting situation for one to think. ie: there are many who spend years and years studying and there are some who study in short time. some people say it is “grace”. while we do not have an exact picture for this phenomena, VEDANTA says that it is a continuation of past…what was left in the earlier human birth - whenever it was - the present study continues and the reason for short duration of study is because “YOU” had probably already studied it in your earlier human birth. Funny logic, but does not it sound interesting, though not verifiable? And that is one reason for one to get a birth into the BRAHMIN parentage - because - that gives one an opportunity to continue the study.If you were born in Tibaktou or in the deserts of Sahara, then until certain Karmas intended to be fructified by that birth is over you would have had to wait to get this birth…..my god…what a way to think???????????
3. May be, now that you have studied RV, while we do not know what is in store, may be you will spend time studying other upanishads etc, and may start teaching/writing/ discussing these things which will help others in their life. All this is up to your using your FREEWILL.
4.There are IGNORANT people in all community and not knowing that I HAVE LIMITATION is a big problem, but then may be it is not right on our part to generalise this by sweeping remarks that no brahmin will teach etc.
I have seen many VEDA PATTHA SALAs in India where they teach children all these things. Even in your case, Pandit Kapil was there to help you. That is the thing. When the time is ready, the person to help - whom some call GURU appear from nowhere or one comesacross.
5.People who publicly talk one thing and privately talk another thing are like that because they have thick sheet of IGNORANCE over their limited knowledge. Else why one should be afraid of telling what one thinks right ?
Finally, in your case, you think RV has been fought, not taught ..good. By reading one can appreciate GITA better could be right. In my case, since I could not study these, i am trying a shortcut…I read what learned people write.. i listen to what learned people say…then I try to relate it with logic, reasoning, differentiate , integrate with LIFE THAT WE TRY TO LIVE…. if it then sounds meaningful, i think, i am atleast not on a wrong track - with a mind kept100% open for correction. I am not ashamed to be on the wrong side, I am not particularly excited or happy to be on the right side, since both the so called right and wrong sides are teaching me something new…somethings which otherwise i would not have known.
By the way, i was told by someone that VEDA is for trying to fructify
the desires in this life while VEDANTA is to KNOW THE SELF ??? with RV in frontal view, what are your comments on that?
January 11th, 2007 at 8:34 am
I agree Paira. I also fully support the re-birth and continuation issue from birth to birth. You are also right in that if these simple matters such as the elephant being absent in the RV, it does not simply end thee. There will be a host of questions that follow.
On Vedanta. I am only only interested in helping others. I could never be a Sanyasin (ie. to comtemplate in the woods etc - I find this self obession - Selfish. - To me being Born Bhramin is to Serve the masses not Know The Self, this quest to Know the Self is time that could be spent helping the poor). Indeed frequently that Know thyself theory is to try to get to heaven. As long as there are poor and suffering folks down here then heaven holds no allure for me. I cherish ONE goal. To be allowed to be re-born to serve these people. To know thyself is not my goal. My goal is to serve. I hope I have offended the teachings of others.
PS - Can anyone connect me with agencies working in NE India to help Nagaland etc restore its heritage and avoid the standard killiings that follow Christianisation.
Veda Shakti!
January 11th, 2007 at 10:36 am
DSji,
For sure, enquiry of SELF does not warrant BECOMING A SANYASI. the very Bruhadaranyaka upanishad is based on discussions between Yajnavalkya and his wife . Yajnavalkya is considered to be a very high intellectual. Even he thought of taking to Sanyasa only later. Meaning, we need not think of SANYASA now for enquiry to SELF.
Now, permit me to disagree with you that Knowing the self theory is to go to heaven. On the other hand, once one knows the self, mostlikely that person is not going to have any - any problem with LIFE AND LIVING…{ this is my assumption on the basis of lot of IGNORANCE THAT I HAVE - not knowledge
) } I think that is the reason Narda was told by Sanatkumara that inspite of knowing all VEDAs etc, Narda could not cross the river of sorrow (of life )……if we look into the story.
Just an example….look at India…since how many years farmers have been committing suicide ? If questions are asked, the reply will be in 1998 it was xxxxx, 99-it was 89% of 98, 2000- it went up by 3% etc… and till date no solution for this problem. Is it the money that is causing this? we all know that it is not money. When our govt can go on giving subsidy for anything, the farmers loan amount will be pittance. And even if you write of all the loans, again the same situation is going to comeup as the loan is not one time affair. (that is why govt does not wish to write off the loans)
Now, the enquiry and study of the SELF, helps every individual to know the ‘ROLE PLAYING ‘ ONE DOES IN LIFE. Once a person is aware of the ROLE PLAYING, then he is not ashamed, he is not feeling guilty, he has no feelings of hurt, no omissions, no commissions, …and one who has no such feelings why would he or she think of such actions like suicide etc? But then this is utopean thinking …
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But I think, the enquiry to self, opens VERY BEAUTIFUL NEW AREAS and that education helps us a lot in making our life a really interesting one. We start seeing the ” contributorship” of ‘me’ instead of the consumership of ‘me’ that i have been always.
Deenoji, We are blessed to be born to Hindu parentage, and if we use our FREE WILL to know more about what is in store, it is all beautiful surprises.
I have not seen even 1% of what is there, but when i hear people - i enjoy.
by the way, you can kindly visit www.aimforseva.org if you would like to know and do something for people who are in remotest of the areas in India. this organisation is doing a good job in several parts of North India also and i have visited the locations, interacted with the children they take care of etc..But I am not either working for them or anything like that. When some one shows interest in such activities, i introduce the topic…and that is all.
January 11th, 2007 at 11:39 am
Thank you vey much for that link. My office is very busy for the next four hours. So will be bak on line then.
Why the North East? Because I cannt stand by and watch Nagaland etc promoting the establishment of Christianland.
How can I help? Promotional and exposure material. Showing how these Christians have our kin embrace their foreign faiths, then why our kin become their ‘NEW brothers’ they are denied citizenship with their new brothers in Europe & America. Indeed should they arrive on US & Eurpoean soil they are treated as a sub-species. I cannnot stand by and watch our kin be degraded by these An-Aryans.
Veda Shakti!
January 11th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
“But I am not either working for them or anything like that. When some one shows interest in such activities, i introduce the topic…and that is all. ”
I know Swami Dayananda Saraswati personally and he is totally commited to the cause.We should back Gurus like this.
January 11th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
Kumariji,
Yes, It is Sw Dayananda Saraswatiji who perceived this, conceptualised this and since u say u know him, u can see how much he is travelling and doing all that including TEACHING.
and I can assure you that he is getting very good support from usa, canada, middle east, japan etc and may be from u.k. too, if you go to www.aimforseva.org you can see the newsletter and this gives a lot more information. if you need any further information, u are free to ask and i will be more than happy to support
namaskaram
January 11th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
I have no contact with any person with such a network.
I’ve been more and more convinced that the people being converted need a video or simple text that relates / lists religious atrocities of history - the rape and sodomization of catholic children, the anhilation of indigenous peoples in the americas and australia, the enslvement of Africa and India by the christian brits, dutch, french and muslims. Then we can show how empty these religions are.
christians like to put out pamphlets that show jesus saving the world while suffering, we should put out pamphlets that show the world being destroyed by the likes of constatine, the popes, the church of england… After all we are teaching history and educating person.
the christians and muslims teach history (as opposed to conversion activities) about the non-existence of gods - Paul went to Greece and asked where is Zeus. So we should be able to ask where is jesus.
But media and penetration of education about the true history and intent of the christo-islamic plan, as well as how they are seeking flock among the ignorant becuase the educated weterners aree abandoning them is insufficient. We need to support “Hindu” schools and charity programs. These have been significant but under rated in the past as they have been informal, as our tradition teaches us. The benefit of a formal structure includes an economy of scale (and an overhead) but also a “branding” which the christo-islamic group has excelled in.
We must each contribute where we can but also must help in the global effort.
hariaum
January 11th, 2007 at 7:15 pm
Navin - A thinking man. Well done. that is exactly what I propose along with Radio broadcasts to see that the people of the NE make the right decision after they have heard ALL the facts.
EG. Christmas celebrated on the 25th Dec Lord Mitras Birthday. Instead of the 7th Jan
The Christians choose to call themselves by a Hindi / Sanskrit name - Aryan
Why therefore should the NE leave what they already have simply to adopt it in a differnent form. Moreover why go to a faith that adopts your history. Take Pride in Your history.
Honor - Your heritage brought you so far. There is no honor in leaving your heritage. Indeed by adopting anothers faith you are making yourself sub-serviant (indirectly saying that you were so irrelevant that their God took Thousands of years to see you) What god is that? . Have Pride NE you are no lesser than Americans / Europeans. Indian Pride not Christian dominion.
A convert could wind up in the hands of Satan for ver. Being whipped and burned daily. Maybe even seeing his children also suffering such turmoil in hell etc. Can you NE open yourself to such pain on youself and children and their children?
There is no Karma to abate punishment
Information of how our KKK Christian brothers will welcome the NE. Perhaps some KKK interviews or pictures of their welocming committee. How about Russian Christians murdering non white Christians.
How about South Asian Chiristians in the USA & Europe denied political strength, even denied TV presence in line with their numbers and contribution? Some Good Old fashioned US statistics.
In the UK. How about the Christian BNP welcoming the 60million Christians they left in India?
In France the Christian Jean Marie Le-Pen on how he would welcome the NE Christians?
The fact that Texas, Georgia, Oklahoma, etc are not fighting with the North for seperation because they know the power of a joint country. Yet the same Southern Baptists are encouraging the NE Indians to fight for seperation. I guess Joint India is growing too fast and standing on its own. The West could not break it although they divided it and left permanent hate lines. Still India races ahead. All from the Power of being ONE as demonstrated by the - UNITED - States of America.
Why even Europe is heading for Union - The EU - Not seperation. So why NE are folks encouraging you on this path yet seeking another for themselves? This is simply mischief in your own home for which the mischief makers pay no price. But those they visit pay with Their LIVES.
How will the NE fund growth & development?
What if Bangladesh in its Islamic fervor starts set insurgents in a Free NE who will help. More inportant however, will Southern Baptist / US & Eurpoean lives be lost? Will it be there women raped? Will it be there children maimed? So Siree. It will be NE Indian lives that pay for this misdirection & mischief
etc etc
As you can see these boys (the Southern Christians) have walked into my backyard. I have every faith that I can help the NE Indians with the truth. The decision thereafter is their own.
Veda Shakti!
January 11th, 2007 at 7:26 pm
Piarm - As you have been to the NE. What language do they speak. I have work that needs out from English to the local language.
Also I have staff who can present TV material to help disclose full information to these people before they are lead to the indignity of leaving their heritage.
Your aid awaited. Thank you very much for the link. If other readers can help in this field please present your information on this web
January 12th, 2007 at 12:34 am
DSji and Navinji,
I have no idea if it will materialise, but as we can see this discussion is moving in a very positive direction. Very nice.
Now let me bring to your kind notice two aspects.
1. any material like video or printed material that we try to distribute - i have no doubt - will be branded as HATRED CREATING - and it could end up in criminal cases filed against the poor people who thought of doing some social service. This is a paculiar situation with India. So the material that you think of publishing need to be carefully looked into and should be such that it is not to spread hatred, but to educate people about the History..that was. The material should have on and off repeated assertions and advices to the viewers that they should not develop a mind of hatred as they see it, but only take it as a lesson to thinik further.
2. More important, today the visual media in India is too much takenover by others- you name the important news papers, important TV channels…almost all of them, and the ones who are not yet in their fold, try to keep information as true as possible and in that process they do not publish or telecast anything that is likely to cause HATRED. While i am not for any negative propaganda, what is true is also not known to millions in India. You will be shocked if you conduct a survey to find that atleast 75%of the english speaking people from south India still think that the 125 year old THE HINDU news paper is still belongs to the original people or some one like that…they do not know that it is in swiss hands. So also about Times of India etc.
We need some TV channels = that too from abroad- which is free to air, and which is available without any fee …if such a thing is possible, then there is a chance that we can spread more info to these areas. I am no expert in TV - Satelite telecasting technology.
3. Indians specially the ones who are abroad and speciallised in Indian Law and international Law need to study some of the judgements pronouned by our Indian courts and also need to study the government laws that DISCRIMINATE the Hindus from others.This is very important as when one starts looking into, one will indeed be shocked- i bet not only Hindus, but every humanbeing will be shocked to see the way the governement of India - not the present govt, but successive governments and that includes every one- treating Hindus in India.
i hope more people spend a little time so that some awakening takesplace.
And KINDLY WE NEED TO REFRAIN FROM BRINGING POLITICS into this topic - there will be efforts by interested parties to induct politics, but we need to see that we do not become a tool in their hands by being moderate and positive in our discussions.
namaskaram
January 12th, 2007 at 10:38 am
True. Hate incitment is a deplorable act.
Our objective should be to. Englighten. To show the NE the true facts of their choice. Give them Full information so that they make intelligent decisions.
I see this being delivered in line with my prevous to last posting. I don’t see any Hate issues their - simply the Truth. Information.
Let’s focus on informing these folks in the NE. I don’t beleive the church is providing them with the full and long term picture.
January 17th, 2007 at 10:05 pm
I think a graphic of jesus the son of god praying to God (Krishna) and the prophet mohamed bowing next to jesus before Krishna is a graphic of peace and unity. I can think of more accurate but less peaceful graphics.
hariaum
January 17th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Well done Navin. You obviously work for the diplomatic Corps!
ACTION
I was thinking we could show them that God revealed Himself to the North East, WAY before the Christians showed up with Jesus. In-fact the True God revealed Hinself equally to all Mankind.
In dawn he came as the Scun Surya, across the global equally. He came as Vayu the wind, He came as Indra the Thunder, He came as Agni - Fire, He Protected us as Varun - The Great Skyfather etc.
True God did not give preference and therefore blessed the Land of Abraham and forgot about us in the NE and in Singapore / South America / Europe etc. The Vedas hail Him as the Forces of Nature - Revealed to All Equally. I could go on - but I am Preaching. So I will allow someone-els eto speak.
VEDA SHAKTI
Pandit Deeno Sharma
January 22nd, 2007 at 1:05 am
I think this debate between the importance of the Rig Veda and the Gita is getting out of hand and not making much sense. Those who are concerned with promoting either should show by rational argument (and not by insults or just assertion) what the Rig Veda is teaching us and what the Gita is teaching us by quoting from these books to support their arguments - and why either of these teachings is important - this way those of us who are not versed in these texts will gain knowledge and those who claim to be experts on these texts would have to justify their assertions.
Nehru Lall
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:34 am
The Hindu religion is what is explained in the texts: Vedas, Upanishads and ultimately The Bhagwat Gita, which is the essence of all that was written before it. Messages in The Bhagwat Gita are uniform and very logical.
“ Three are the gates to this hell, the death of the soul: the gate of lust, the gate of wrath and the gate of greed.” (Chapter 16, Verse 21)
“ What power is it, that drives man to act sinfully, even unwillingly, as if powerlessly?
It is greedy desire and wrath, born of passion, the great evil, the sum of destruction: this is the enemy of the soul.” (Chapter 3, Verse 36-37)
“ When a man dwells on the pleasures of sense, attraction for them arises in him. From attraction arises desire, the lust of possession and this lead to passion, to anger. From passion comes confusion of mind” (Chapter 2, verse 62-63).
“ Action is greater than inaction. Let thy actions be pure, free from the bonds of desire” (Chapter 3, Verse 8-9).
“ Even as the unwise work selfishly in the bondage of selfish works, let the wise man work unselfishly for the good of all the world” (Chapter 3, verse 25).
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:43 am
Kumari said, “I know Swami Dayananda Saraswati personally and he is totally commited to the cause.We should back Gurus like this. ”
Dayananda Saraswati died in 1883 at the age of 59(?). How old are you? 150 or 160???
January 23rd, 2007 at 9:24 am
The Three Gates of Hell
Lust
Wrath
Greed
Are ever allowed redemption / release from these Hells?
January 23rd, 2007 at 11:43 am
Deepak Boseji,
when i do not know what the other person is saying, would it not be better to ask first, know what the other person meant and then comment instead of first itself to be sarcastic?
we had a nice chat in here where in some one said that they have seen your photograph and u said that it is not you, but may be some other Dipak bose??
So cant there be another Sw Dayananda Saraswatiji?
as a matter of fact Hindu voice had published a very interesting interview with Sw Dayananda Saraswatiji - and i think there were a lot of discussion on this subject too, { may be in July or Aug 06}.
Anyway, u can kindly read the interview in Hindu voice…may be july or Aug edition
namaskaram
January 25th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
Dear all,
Good conversation. Please we must make effort to do good thing for our scripture
Swadhyay Parivar, Bombay ( Inspired by Rev Pandurang Shastri) has come up with a unique way of celebrating Gita Jayanti. For the past few years, the youth between 16 and 30 years have been pariticipating in Elocution competition organized by the youth themselves. A topic from the Gita is given few weeks ahead. The Youth study the Gita and prepare a five minute speech for these competitions that are held world wide. This year’s topic was: The Gita is: Arjun’s call for guideance and Lord Krishna’s hand of assurance. About 3.2 million youth through out the world participated in year 2006.
Thanks
January 26th, 2007 at 6:27 am
Sri Krishna said, “ For this is my word of promise, that he who loves me shall not perish. For those who come to me for shelter, however weak or humble or sinful they may be …they all reach the path supreme” (Bhagwat Gita, Ch9, Verse 31-32).
Thus, these three gates of hell( there is no hell in Hindu religion, it is a metaphor describing rebirth in lower life forms etc) can be avoided by following Yogas ( Karma Yoga, Gjana Yoga and Bhakti Yoga) and Pranayama, which reduced the desire from human mind, the source of all sorrows, according to Gautam Buddha.
January 26th, 2007 at 6:30 am
We all know the famous Dayananda Saraswati of Arya Samaj.
There can be a second version, as we can see Sai Baba 2nd version, Ravisankar 2nd Version. So I will not be surprised to see Mahatma Gandhi 2nd version.
January 26th, 2007 at 8:41 am
DB Well done! There is no Hell in this faith. This is (no hell - its most important contribution to mankind) where is exceeds the Christo-Islamic with vision, intelligence, and clarity that the West will soon cherish as their minds absorb the contribution of this faith to the security of mankind.
Howver, it is only when we point them in the right can they open the door themselves and see the truth. This I see as the Aryawarth way of teaching. The True Aryawarth (eg Indeed most of us this web - discussing and postulating on this faith) appraoches his faith with every question for this faith fears nothing. It hides nor covers up anything. In fact where other faiths as for HERD LIKE committment to what has been said. Hindu Dharma goes against the grain (like John Wayne
) and actually encourages us to examine and theorize. We of the Hindu faith are blessed to be given such latitude. This is shown to the NE Indians could again lessen their flow to the more restrictive and punishing faiths.
The reason for showing that there is no hell is to show the NE Indians that they do not have to fear the damnation that will be their lot with the acceptance of their NEW Christian faith!
I am in the iddle of writing a book - Heaven n Hell - “Failing in Proportionality” Accountants study this fact (Proportionality) under their general concept of Materialty.
By exposing the facts as you have (thank you) you are now offering Aid to NE Indians.
Veda Shakti!
January 26th, 2007 at 5:04 pm
I apologize for the length of this. I submitted it to various publications but none printed it. Perhaps you will like the ideas.
When Heaven is Full of Murderers, Thieves, and Rapists, earth is Hell
I am a flawed. I am flawed because I begin with I and my consciousness is limited. I embrace this flaw because it was given to me by that being that is neither flawed nor limited. By this gift I participate with what little I am.
I question our fellow flaweds. As you kill me for Christ, Allah, or country, do you go to heaven? As you steal from and impoverish me, does heaven embrace you? As you rape the earth, her sons and daughters, do heaven’s trumpets flare? You must know that God forgives my sins and enlightens me through accountability. This is the way of indigenous religions. Do you understand this?
In Christianity and Islam, where is justice for terrorist and terrorized? In your ego-glorifying religions entry to eternal heaven through the worship of name is the only cause. Your salvation is thus without accounting: you kill, steal, and rape – sacrifice humans - for your god. You are terrorists, Aztecs with missiles. In my indigenous religion I know, fail, and face god. All indigenous religions teach full responsibility to God. That terrorism risen in our religions from flawed persons quickly dies – our teaching stops it. This is the way of indigenous religions.
But Christo-Islamic history glorifies terrorists who every century kill one culture after another, steal from them, and rape their children (and your own). You call them heroes. Today you still kill each other and us – you lack Gandhi’s spiritual heroism.
Terrorism ends when popes, ministers, elders, imams, ayatollahs, and mullahs chant a single fatwa: humans who kill, steal, rape, or harm in god’s name go to hell! Why do you wait? Why don’t your leaders shout: killers, thieves, and rapists gain no heaven? Why don’t your teachers preach: heaven is denied to murderers, thieves and rapists? When heaven is full of murderers, thieves, and rapists, Earth is hell.
Perhaps your young religions cower, lacking the moral courage to condemn evil. Perhaps you worship Power over Truth and Love. (Your religions condemn my religion and all indigenous religions; you are certainly not too humble to speak for god.) Perhaps you want the power, wealth, and pleasure gained through murders, thefts, and rapes. As such you want evil. As such, you serve a demon, not a god.
My flaws are before you. I humbly sin by concluding God’s creation is flawed in your religions. Perhaps from ignorance, not arrogance, you worship a demon. Or perhaps your god welcomes you into a demon-ruled ‘heaven’. Indeed, demon worshipers, like you, celebrate the selfish, egotistical, ethnocentric murderers, thieves, and rapists.
I am wrong; God is just. Your ‘heaven’ is hell; Earth, The Existence, is Heaven. This is the Heaven of indigenous religions, one within the transcendent and imminent God of Truth, Bliss, and Moral Responsibility - even while being martyred by your beloved terrorist. I pray and know some day you will worship God and join ahimsa for the true hero fights with truth (satyagraha) and always without harm (ahimsa). This is the mercy of God.
hariaum
January 27th, 2007 at 4:38 am
namaskaram to all,
1. waiting to read the book that DS is writing.
2. By the way, just a thought…does HINDUISM talk of “sin” ?? I think it will be interesting to look at that since - the LAW OF KARMA takes care of everything. There is no SIN and what ever action one performs, the effect of that is the result… In this case, where is SIN and what is SIN ? and since there is no SIN, where is the question of hell ?
3. To DB, are you by any chance the first version of DB?? There are many things I do not know and when i come to know of something, I only consider that -yes, now i know a little of this too- and there the matter ends. Now to put into use, what u have known or not to use..is absolutely your FREE WILL. So why worry? Here, very often, our IGNORANCE lead us to go after the personalities instead of what they have said.
4. Navinji, once again , many many thanks for your posting. So beautifully you have alowed your thougts to flow into the words…
I would like to copy your this posting to hc web for others to read .
5. DSji, you are aware that almost all the media, visual, audio and print- they are all in the control of people who have no interest in HINDUISM and may be interest in promoting other faiths. I have no problem in their promoting other faiths, but they do not give space to us to let people know what misinformation is taking place. What makes me wonder is - why not we try to start a web news paper- even on a weekly basis - and publish all news items - with thrust on - what misinformation is taking place and how we explain it to more people?
6. I have been talking to people who are associated with the lemples in India and have been requesting them to see that our gatherings could be used to let people know about the misinformation. I would like to impress here, that our idea is not to spread HATRED…but for people to know what is the state of affairs - SO THAT IT HELPS THEM IN THEIR DECISION MAKING PROCESS….PROCESS OF LIVING.
but i have no computer knowledge { except emails} to work on web..no idea of costs etc.
7. May be Hinduvoice and you all could lookat this aspect too and them may be others from US, INDIA, OTHER COUNTRIES may join and work together.
Dhiyo yo naha prachodayat
January 27th, 2007 at 8:18 am
“Dayananda Saraswati died in 1883 at the age of 59(?). How old are you? 150 or 160??? ”
You foolishness suits your hairstyle.This is the trouble with you cyber warriors hiding behind PCs who talk big but are too scared to come out into the open to do something for Hinduism.This is the one I’m talking about http://www.hinduvoice.co.uk/Issues/8/Interview.htm
January 27th, 2007 at 9:40 am
Kumari:
Yes, I have seen the Sai Baba 2nd version, a fat African with orange robe.
This is a very good Business Model.
Hire a house in California
Hire a filmstar to do Yoga exercise
Advertise in Vogue or Marie Clare
Charge $10000 per year membership fee
In no time I can take out fake Rolex( made in China) from my hair.
January 27th, 2007 at 10:13 am
A) Paira-ji I like very much your point 5 - Media Control. HV seems to go part the way toward this. But if I understand you correctly you are suggesting media that is then available in a common format Globally, exposing mis-information.
This mis-information (eg. you have entertained the thought of CGM being Arjun in reality) may be deemed Anti-Sanatanist.
)
Cuz Paira, what you would be acidentally creating is a new school of thought.
Navin - has even coined a possible head to this school - Vedism.
Jack B - is very much Pro this (then again Jack B thrives on anyhting contentious
HV Personnel - I have had the pleasure of speaking to this enlightened minds and they are producing literature that you seek
In summary I believe your thought is 100% true and I beleive that we should all push for it. It is nice that you are in India to communicate our global thoughts.
B) Sin? - DB - posed to me question on this site three months back. I am still compiling the answer. He asked “DS demonstrate Karma & Re-incarnation in the RV” I believe in this Paira lies your answer re. sin. DB a very good question. Its answer will be with you shortly
C) Kumari - What can we say? Gone so long. Now returns with a mild dose of abuuse for our learned DB. Come on K, DB is a VERY learned soul. His questions and information distillation is very strong. OK let’s apply our skill to the Kumari DB issue. Kumari I know that you are Pro-Action in the NE. DB we know that you are blessed with ISKCON data. Suggestion. DB compiles a Video Library of “European” Iskcon faces at Puja / Ceremony etc. Send this Kumari. Kumari produces an Informercial for the NE showing how Westerners are adopting the faith that NE India is being told to let go. There you have it, out of conflict we have produced aid. This also brings Paira media statement to fruition. Do we have a YES here Men (& women)?
Veda Shakti!
January 27th, 2007 at 1:01 pm
OK that was a little “Bhramin Pushy” you boys do xy and z whilst I loaf around. So let’s give Deeno a task. Deeno should be charged with raising funds to pay for the Kumari-Bose Informercial (perhaps Navin could be involved here?). Paira can be involved in the distribution of said DVD in our Ancestral Homeland of India-aah.
That leaves us with our Good Buddy Jack. You guys know that if he ain’t included he is simply gonna be a loose cannon and in his desperation to help he may simply March to the fields of Sparta or Kurukshetra ALONE! Only problem is that when Jack arrives at Dehli Airport, Local Indian Pranksters will see the wide eyed Jack and his Total lack of Indian geography asking for directions to Kurukshetra. Out of their sheer sense of duty to humor you know they will send Jack to Kashmir or even Oakland Oregon (I’m not sure which is worst). So to save well intentioned Jack I would suggest we see if he can put together the score for the Kumari-Bose North East Infomercial.
Now. Do we have Yes’s. Let’s do it!
Vega Shakti!
January 27th, 2007 at 4:41 pm
The Beauty of Diversity.
DBji,
I have not met Sai Baba…I have read a few of his speeches. Now I wonder how much time DBji has spent reading or knowing the 2nd SaiBaba. If nothing, people of some areas of Tamil Nadu and some areas of Andhra Pradesh are thankful to him - not for the golden ring etc - but for mobilising 2000,000,000 Ind Rs ( as per media ) to bring water from a river in Andhra Prades to Chennai { then Madras } and there was a special function in which he was felicitated by none other than a person like KARUNANIDHI the possibly non GOD believing Chief of Tamil Nadu- who is supposed to be anti Aryan Hindu - who claims to be DRAVIDIAN etc.
The point is if I do not know about Sai Baba, it is o.k., nothing to be ashamed of…I do not know so many things…and this is one of them. But why do I need to have bias ? am I bothered about his getting golden ring or watch etc ? If i am not interested in that, i can leave him alone. If i want to get a ride { if i think he is taking people for a ride } then by all means I AM FREE TO TAKE UP THAT…else I am free NOT TO TAKE UP THAT.
eitherway, he is not forcing any one to go to him. He is not asking any one to either do this or do that. if u think he has some power and u wish to take advantage of that and in that process u are being used- then it is you who is willingly allowing that. So would it not be better we leave such things ? Yes, if they misuse - if they damage any public property or perform any such actions which affect others harmfully, then we can complain. I think we will have to do a real search for that.
Rest about his miracles etc, better we do not be a party to that if we are not concerned or interested in that. well, if Saibaba promised u one watch and then he failed in his promise when u were there after several tries, u are free to tell people around u and the world about that.
And often one gets a feeling that bp of both Kumariji and DBji goes very high - the moment they see the others name in this site. why? i do not understand. While both are capable of putting their views nicely, which will help us all in bettering our undersanding, all these personality fights and allergies - would it not be better we leave that aside?
This forum is a wonderful one- we learn a lot from here, and let us enjoy the DIVERSITY WITHOUT HARMING one another. Let us be nice in our communication please.
Let us listen what is useful, let us ignore what we think not useful{including this posting } and let us all make this beautiful site a very enjoyable one.