The Hanuman Chalisa
The Hanuman Chalisa is a prayer that many young Hindus will have heard of, if not be familiar with. Chances are that it may be sung in your own home or by somebody that you know. This article gives a philosophical and mystical insight into this ever-popular Hindu prayer.
November 20th, 2006 at 1:53 pm
It is most wonderful explaination, please kindly give the whole Hanuman Chalisa which would help everyone who recites this most familiar prayer.
Pranam
Vinoo
November 20th, 2006 at 5:49 pm
Please, do the whole Hanuman Chalisa. My humble ‘naman’ to whoever took the time out for such an excellent translation in to English. A copy of this is worth forwarding to the members of the Hindu Community who recite Hanuman Chalisa and others for their enlightenment and understanding, I believe.
SITARAM
Suru (Los Angeles, CA, USA.)
November 20th, 2006 at 6:58 pm
Jai Shree Hanuman!
November 20th, 2006 at 9:23 pm
Please would it be possible for you to print Hanuman Chalisa, in the next issue so that everyone can recite.
Many Thanks
R ita
November 20th, 2006 at 10:30 pm
Jai Shri Krishna, Om shanti.
Shree hanuman Chalisa is so powerful, when recited in times of unhappiness it gives peace and solace. Shree Hanuman Dada is 11th form of lord Shree Shiva.
November 21st, 2006 at 5:23 am
In Rig Veda, Upanisad and Bhagwat Gita there is no indication that the Hindus need to worship Hanuman.
Hanuman may be the symbol of loyalty, but its worship is limited only in the Hindi speaking areas of India. In other parts of India Hindus do not worship Hanuman.
Please do not promote these ideas( also the ideas like Naga Sanyasis). These are the instrument by which the Western media attack the Hindus to inflict insults, so that Hindus in UK are ashamed to reveal themsemselves as Hindus.
You should promote only the progressive Hinduism, not these backward practices.
November 21st, 2006 at 5:31 am
Jai Shree Hanuman,
Whenever I am down or unhappy or encounter problems in life I recite Hanuman Chalisa. I find my self blessed, feelings of happiness and above all feel so good that I can not describe it.
I advice every one to do the same.
Let us all be blessed by Shree hanuman Ji.
November 21st, 2006 at 12:30 pm
Dipak Bose, u r damned commie. Progressive Hinduism means getting rid of traitor scum like urself, Deepa Mehta, karan johar, mani shanker Iyer, Renuka Choudry, Mulayam singh, the entire commie party in india and so many more. The day they r gone everything will resolve itself.
November 21st, 2006 at 12:37 pm
I do agree with DB on promoting Progressive Issues of the Faith. I would also add North Indians accomodating Rats even providing offerings. etc as unacceptable and should be marginalised by us as wierdo’s. Anyhow Progressive issues
Perhaps I can Help!
ARYAWARTH - The Noble Ones
This who we the Hindus are. Ancestral father of the Aryan nation. Aryan is Sanskrit. This is what needs promoting.
Let’s show this in practice and accomodate DB’s honourable position (felt by many, said by few)
NOBILITY - To Show Respect without Request (D Sharma)
Many of us live with prosperity, freedom of speech and freedom to practice our faith within the security of The US, GB, Can, Holland etc. These lands have given us rights equal to their own people (generally). These people overall are acceptant and curious about our heritage. Something that cannot be said of Indian border countries even Indian states eg.Kashmir, Nagland, “Khalistan?” etc. The wide picture, these host nations have been our support and re-generation eg Uganda Indians
It would be Aryawarth for us, the beneficiary of this accomodation to provide for these native communities some show of respect, for their support. Eg. Fix a meal in our temples / homes that the natives are called to. A feast in Respect without Request. A feast of their own heritage, because they enjoy that and it shows that we accomodate their ways not reject it. Prepare for them a fine roast ham, turkey etc served with some good wines. This day should be called The Day of The Aryawarth.
This promotes the deep values of repect and honour that We The Aryawarth treasure.
It is The way of the Aryawarth, not to bite the hand that feeds it. We do not bomb those who accomdate us, we do not terrorise them we take them to our hearts and contribute their community.
by Pandit Deeno Sharma
Nov 21st
DB Why are you awake at 5.23AM/? Does Hindu Theology drive you with so much passion? Are you troubled that this Great Faith has so much irrelevances? Get some rest. We will still be here. ATB
November 21st, 2006 at 2:05 pm
DB ,
What is wrong with Naga Sanyasis or Aghoris? What other practises are you afraid or ashamed of. Are you going to just practice the Hinduism that non-hindus want you to practice. What about diversity and plurality ? And the unity in that ?
November 21st, 2006 at 9:24 pm
I will answer that. Show me in the Rg Veda authority for such. Halavdar please read this
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv01001.htm
it shows the true faith that we are trying to restore. The Vedic way!
November 22nd, 2006 at 5:38 am
Havaldar said, :”Are you going to just practice the Hinduism that non-hindus want you to practice. ”
Do you think those who wrote Rig Veda and Upanisad are non-Hindus? Do you think Sri Krishna is a ‘COMMIEE”?
In Bhagwat Gita all these bizarre practices are condemned.
Purans are mythology, it is not a part of true Hinduism. There are various regional practices in India, which are nothing but superstitions and popular faith; these are not Hinduism.
If you allow everything in the name of diversity you will end up with not a religion but various ways of life with millions of gods. Then of course the Anglo-American media would have great weapons to make Hinduism an object of amusement, as they are doing now everyday, if you watch British TV or read British newspapers.
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:10 am
This is a very fast changing world. We have a range of isuues to complete daily. In the speed of all this we need
A) an easily accessible faith.
B) a true faith. Free of Bhramin mysticism. It is well known that sages, sanyasis, yogis, Pandits (to a lesser extent) etc made the faith deliberately elaborate and mystic (taking cover under Sanskrit) to protect Bhramin positions from Chatri might. We need to cleanse these issues incorporated into the faith. If we do not stand firm Rats will become dieties.
C) In cleansing this faith we will find its core. This core is the Rg Veda.
I notice also that we will bump heads and be fiercely passionate about Naga Sanyasis, Aghoris, Monkey diefication etc. However, when I mention Noble deeds and what should be done. No-one steps up to the plate.
That is the acid test, we The Aryawarth (Noble Ones) are concerned about the pheriphery of this faith rather that the core - Noble Deeds.
NOTE
Good News - all those who are debating here (Yes that includes Park x , Proud Hindu et alia) and on other sites are carrying out an indirect noble deed. (The Quest for knowledge and accountablilty)
However, I would ask for commentary on my previous post “Noble Deeds - Respect without Request”
Psst. Anyone seen any pandits on this site (apart from me)?
ATB - Pndt Deeno Sharma
Veda Shakti
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:01 am
According to Gautam Buddha, (in Dharmapada, 402-422), an Aryan is one who follows the Aryan Eightfold path and a Brahmin is one who attains the stage of ‘Arahant’ or supreme knowledge. “In whom there exist both truth and righteousness, pure is he, a Brahmin is he. He is free from impediments, free from clinging” (Dharmapada, 393-396).
Sri Krishna in Bhagwat Gita said, “I look upon all creatures equally; none is less dear to me and none more dear” (Ch 9, verse 29).
“All those who take refuge in me, whatever their birth, race, sex, or caste, will attain the supreme goal; this realization can be attained even by those whom society scorns. Kings and Sages, too seek this goal with devotion”(Ch 9, Verse 32,33).
November 22nd, 2006 at 7:02 pm
I consider a Bhramin a teacher. I was schooled at European establishments I consider those who taught me “Honorary Bhramins”.
November 23rd, 2006 at 6:23 am
Teachers are Brahmin as a caste. However, in Bhagwat Gita and in subsequent literature Brahmin is someone who has already achieved a very Sattik way of life and is going to be a Yogi( United with the Brahman), if he would perform well.
November 26th, 2006 at 10:17 am
DEENOO SHARMA ! You may consider teacher a Brahmin and thus your European school teachers as ‘Honorary Brahmins’, but does your oft quoted Rig Veda say that? I an afraid it does not. It describes how and from which part of his body he produced four varnas and verious beings - even Rig, Sam and yajurveda.
DIPAK BOSE ! Gita too states four castes were created by Me (ch 4).
By achieving full saatvikhood and getting to know Him, one becomes Brahm-Gyani and not Brahmin. By becoming one with Him ie., by uniting with Him in Samadhi, he becomes a Brahm-Yogi, not a Brahmin. Many a great souls in the past (even from the lowest of our castes) have realised Him. They are reverred and respected by all Hindus as Brahm-gyanis or Bhagvad-Bhaktas; but they never declared they had become Brahmins. Bhakta Ravi Dass always addressed himself saying ‘Kahe Ravi Das khalaas chamaaraa’ in his hymns. They are sung even in our temples. Similar is the case with Tamil Bhakt Periyars and their hymns.
November 26th, 2006 at 10:19 am
DEENOO SHARMA ! You may consider a teacher a Brahmin and thus your European school-teachers as ‘Honorary Brahmins’, but does your oft-quoted Rig Veda say that? I an afraid, it does not. It describes how and from which part of His body He produced four varnas and various beings - even Rig, Sam and yajurveda.
DIPAK BOSE ! Gita too states four castes were created by Me (ch 4). By achieving full saatvikhood and getting to know Him, one becomes Brahm-Gyani and not Brahmin. By becoming one with Him i.e., by uniting with Him in Samadhi, he becomes a Brahm-Yogi, not a Brahmin. Many a great souls in the past (even from the lowest of our castes) have realised Him. They are revered and respected by all Hindus as Brahm-gyanis or Bhagvad-Bhaktas; but they never declared they had become Brahmins. Bhakta Ravi Dass always addressed himself saying ‘Kahe Ravi Das khalaas chamaaraa’ in his hymns. They are sung even in our temples. Similar is the case with Tamil Bhakt Periyars and their hymns.
November 26th, 2006 at 2:06 pm
“Dipak Bose says: In Rig Veda, Upanisad and Bhagwat Gita there is no indication that the Hindus need to worship Hanuman.”
Please pardon my ignorance but is there any indication in the Rig Veda, Upanishad or Bhagwat Gita that Hindus should not worship Hanuman?
Was there an image on the flag or chariot driven by Shri Krishna on the battlefield of the Mahabharata war?
I find all this most fascinating…..
November 26th, 2006 at 5:17 pm
Dr R Singh - Welcome! Quietly waiting the wings watching the spectacle. I am glad that our discourse has brought you to the war. Sir, you are right in the quote of the Varnas ( as Manu then formalized). However, I look at the life of Vyasa (of MH fame) and Valmiki (Ramyne) both non-bhramins but ledendary Bhramin output.
I have seen Bhramins degenerate our society by conduct without application of intelligence. I have seen Bhramins hold data from the masses to due to lack of understanding of the Vedas / Sanskrit. I have seen them bring practices to the Great Faith to keep the audience satisfied.
I know from reading the Vedas that this faith is not the Catholicised-Hinduism that now prevades. The Vedas do not call for man prostrate before god nor be subserviant. Bhramin is inherently linked to intelligence and knowledge of the Vedas. I will take a moment to grab just a rough Shloka / Hymn from the good book to demonstrate its strength.
Rg Veda - Bk 1 Shloka 10 - in part
5 To Indra must a laud be said, to strengthen him who freely gives,
That Sakra may take pleasure in our friendship and drink-offerings.
6 Him, him we seek for friendship, him for riches and heroic might.
For Indra, he is Sakra, he shall aid us while he gives us wealth.
7 Easy to turn and drive away, Indra, is spoil bestowed by thee.
Unclose the stable of the kine, and give us wealth O Thunder-armed
The Bhramins that taught me did not teach me the Rg Veda. They, many do not know this book. Though born Bhramin as the Rg Veda says, they failed in their first duty as Bhramins “To Study the Vedas” so your position. Yes we are born Bhramin. However, we can fail as Bhramins. A True Bhramin is one who has been born Bhramin, Read the Vedas and delivers knowledge / teaching.
As a “born Bhramin” I take this seriously and try to accomodate the three elements above.
Jaimin. The Rg Veda is about WHAT to DO. It is a book of the Hindoo. Not the Hindon’t. The Nahee mentality you will not find in the Rg Veda.
Flag. The most important flag (in my opinion) in Indian History is the banner of Vijaynagar - The Pig! (which we do not worship). Now that this is public knowledge I would kindly ask that no communities start worshipping the pig. The flag is impotant because as it unfurled on any battlefield the Sultans would see the Boar and know that Vijaynagar was about to destroy their armies proclaiming “This will always be Hindu ground. An-Aryans have no plce here” and the Pig was there to watch. Guess they shouldn’t have called the Pig Unclean. Great Varun made that animal just like all others and he would not make something thats unclean.
Heck I have rambled on. Look someone else takeover. I have a nice Scottish Malt Whiskey. Its sunday & I should be relaxing. So excuse me whilst I have a nice drink (call it my Soma - have not found the original as yet) on this cold winters day.
Veda Shakti
Dr and Jaimin thank you for your involvement.
November 27th, 2006 at 7:33 am
It is difficult to spell Sanskrit words in English. Brahmon or Brahman is the Supreme creator of all.
Brahmin is a caste in Hindu society, used to engage in teaching and performing various rituals.
However, in Bhagwat Gita there is no caste. Sri Krishna said he has created four Varnas, i.e., four different types of people with different mixtures of the three Gunas; Sattik, Rajasik and Tamasik.
Varnas are not castes or colours. Varnas are characteristics, according to a number of Sanskrit scholars. There was no formal caste system in the Hindu religion as such. People could move from one Varna to another depending on their way of life.
November 27th, 2006 at 7:48 am
Rig Veda Book 8, Verse 12
“Praise Indra… Him I invite with eulogy, best King, effective in the fight, strong for the gain of mighty spoil.
… Indra is priest and Risi, he is much invoked by many men,
and mighty by his mighty powers”
Here Indra is both a Brahmin and a Kattriya at the same time.
November 27th, 2006 at 4:39 pm
The Rg Veda DB, Truly passionate, I love this book. It is th heart of the Aryawarth. It is passionate, glorious in battle, it calls on the deep sense of military duty that at times aloows a Single Hindu to crush a multitude of An-Aryans eg. Soamnath Sharma on defending Kashmir. If the other readers could embrace it, this name calling would end and progress would be lit. It is as expected. After embracing the Rg Veda Progress follows!
Veda Shakti
November 28th, 2006 at 6:46 am
Deeno Sharma:
Do you know any good translation of other Vedas; I have the book of Griffith on Rig Veda but not the others.
November 29th, 2006 at 12:03 am
Dipak Bose - you are too confused about fitting Hinduism in2 fashionable moulds to understand the true spiritual essence of it, which incorporates diversity of worship. Diversity of worship is not something to be ashamed of - and goes back all the way to the Rig Veda, and is equally present in the Gita.
For example:
Indram mitram varuNam agnim ãhuh,
atho divyah sa suparNo garutmãn,
ekam sad viprãh bahudhã vadanti,
agnim yamam mãtarišvãnam ãhuh.
(They hail Him as Indra, as Mitra, as VaruNa, as Agni, also as that divine and noble-winged Garutmãn. It is of the One Truth that the wise ones speak in diverse ways, whether as Agni, or as Yama, or as Mãtarišvãn).
Now - this is a Vedic verse,
You would probably have castigated an individual who worshipped Garutman as backward and “anti-progressive”, just like you berate those who would worship Lord Hanuman.
But the Vedic seers would have thought differently.
November 29th, 2006 at 7:26 am
There is one thing to say that there are diverse ways and another thing to say that there are multiple Gods. These are two seperate concepts. While I accept there are many ways, but there is only one Supreme Brahman. That is the message of Rig Veda, Upanisad and Bhagwat Gita.
November 29th, 2006 at 8:46 am
Very Good question DB. Among all others here you have Excelled in your question “Is there a good translation of the Vedas”. Why such applaud? Because your question shows a quest for knowledge. I had left enough threads for others to pose the same question. I knew that the first person to ask this question would be a contributor.
DB The best translation of the RV IS Ralph Griffiths. I have taken it among learned Sanskrit Bhramins and they have applauded it. (and hated me at the same time) I frequently feel that they wish they could get rid of me and “my book (Rg Veda)”. I awlays say to them “Alas tis too late learned ones, I am taking this book on the road. Adios”
When the Politicos / Hindus in India put up a few
Ralph Griffiths Memorial High Schools
then this nation will take this book to heart and clarity will follow.
THE OTHER VEDAS
My current knowledge of these translations is limited, therefore unreliable. This is primarily due to the fact that these books were easier for Bhramins to tamper with in an effort to Aggrandize & Mysticize thier role. The Rg they had very little impact on due to the tenet on the prose. It was vehemently Acquisitorial, more Chatri than Bhramin.
In summary. I can offer very little guidance on the other Vedas. Frankly the Rg contains so much I am still struggling to get its wider acceptance amongst Hindus. As I can see you are.
PS - Are you a Chartered Accountant?.
PS2 - your work is helpful, but think you need to summarize your info. I then believe that you will get wider appeal (unlikely - Hindus hate change)
ATB
November 29th, 2006 at 1:02 pm
I have Griffiths translation of the Rig Veda; however I do not have good and complete translations of Jajur Veda & Arthava Veda.
yes, I am a CA but moved a little away to consultancy.
November 29th, 2006 at 3:46 pm
Excellent work by Griffiths. I am trying to find a reliable translation the others however, no success as yet.
What do you think of promoting the re-naming of more schools in India “Ralph Griffiths Memorial High”?
November 29th, 2006 at 6:59 pm
“While I accept there are many ways, but there is only one Supreme Brahman. That is the message of Rig Veda, Upanisad and Bhagwat Gita.” - So says D Bose
Some of these Hindus like D. Bose want to stake a claim for admission to the exclusive club of Monotheism maintained by Christianity and Islam. These Hindus are out to convince the monopolises of monotheism that the earliest Hindu shastra, the Rigveda, also supports and sanctions what is supposed to be the summum bonum of religion according to Christian and Muslim theology, or its apotheosis according to the modern Western “Science” of Comparative Religion. At the same time, there is an almost pathetic appeal to the monopolises of Monotheism that they should not be appalled by the multiplicity of gods and goddesses in the post-Vedic Hindu pantheon, and that they should judge Hinduism in terms of the “original aspiration” rather than in terms of the latter-day “aberration”.
Secondly, these losers are pleading before the custodians of the “only true” creeds that Hinduism is only a different way of stating the same truths which were revealed to the founders of the former. In effect, Hindus are praying with folded hands, “Please do not denounce Hinduism as polytheism, pantheism, idolatry, paganism, and kufr. Please ignore the differences of language and metaphor, and attend to the fundamental spirit which informs your faiths as well as ours.”
The psychology throughout this exercise is one of apology, of shamefacedness, of defence against what is initially conceded as a valid criticism of the idioms and forms in which Hindu spirituality has been spelled out in its shastras. This is a disastrous psychology. It leads to a supine surrender on the one hand, and to a slavish imitation on the other.
November 29th, 2006 at 7:25 pm
Pagan thats a excellent response to the people who suffer an inferiorty complex because of monothiesm and our going out of their way to also prove they’re monotheists which is totally against Hindu dharma.
November 29th, 2006 at 7:40 pm
Well pagan and kumari that’s what I have been saying for sometime now, Dipak Bose is a perfect example of a Bengali Babu or a coconut, the kind who stabs Hindus in the back and cares more about what other think about us than anything else, the only way to sort them out is to use them as cannon fodder in the next war India might have.
November 29th, 2006 at 8:33 pm
You guys are unique. Kumari, Pagan, Harish. Whilst you have these little wars Hindu v Psuedo Hindu etc. The Sikhs have levelled comments on this blog which none of you have countered. Why? Is it true that in-fighting is the Hindu Way?
Do you guys know who the enemy is?. Oh let me answer that. You will all reply with some anger at me. Hello, I am not the enemy. Check the Ram Dev disuss!
December 1st, 2006 at 10:24 am
Harish Duggiwala:
If you cut out Bengali Babus [ Sri Chaitanya, Jayadev, Raja Ram Mohan Roy, Swami Vivekananda, Rabindranath Tagore, Ari Aurobindo, J.C.Bose, S.N.Bose, Subhas Bose, Ramesh Majumdar, Bankim Chandra Chatterjee, Ramersh Chandra Dutta, Rakhal das Banerjee and orinators of every major political parties in India: Congress( First president: Umesh Banerjee), Jan Sangh( First President: Shyama Prasad Mukherjee), CPI( founder: Abani Mukherjee), Sahara Airlines, Bose electronics ] you would cut the head of India.
That is possibly you want, as you are all Pakis pretending to be Hindus. You know nothing about Hindu religion, Holy books of Hindu religion, you are even calling Hindu religion as Pagan Demonic. You are Pakis.
Alternatively you must be:
Bhusiwala, Aluwala, Sabziwala or Golmalkar, Chorikar and Dhokebajikar
December 1st, 2006 at 11:40 am
DB I am surprised. Dirtying your hands with this. However, excellent work re. Hall of Fame “Bengali Babus”. Thank you for the Info. have stored on my database.
Of the categories listed Aluwala ( I now know thanks to your explanation) but new categories Bhusiwala, Sabziwala etc?
PS - Kumari (your adversary) seems quite concerned (as myself) bout the Dalits. Your input (after you have calmed down) would help me.
December 1st, 2006 at 12:47 pm
” Kumari (your adversary) seems quite concerned (as myself) bout the Dalits.”
Mahatma Gandhi said, ” Ambedkar is a British agent”.
Thus, concerns for the Dalit means something else.
Baptist Mission Church, who are saying openly that Hinduism is a Demonic religion, is very concerned about the Dalits.
Have you read the website Dalistan.com You will get the right picture.
December 1st, 2006 at 2:04 pm
THANK YOU DB. I found this. Whilst we are discussing the nuances of this faith, ISKCON etc - this is happening. Are we gonna do anything bout it?
Dalit blood on village square
Frontline, INDIA’S NATIONAL MAGAZINE
from the publishers of THE HINDU
LYLA BAVADAM
in Nagpur, Bhandara and Gondhia districts.
The murder of four Dalits in Khairlanji village illustrate that casteism still flourishes in Maharashtra.
image
PICTURES: VIVEK BENDRE
BHAIYYALAL BHOTMANGE, WHO has lost his family to caste prejudice.
IT is about 500 yards from Bhaiyyalal Bhotmange’s hut to Khairlanji village square. Like all such villages the square is a hub of activity – the school, the village meeting hall and the common well are clustered at this point. It is surrounded by homes, including that of the sarpanch. It would be extremely difficult for anyone from the village to say they knew nothing about an incident in the square. Yet this is exactly what the people of Khairlanji say.
Before sunset on September 29, a mob of about 40 Kunbis from Khairlanji entered Bhotmange’s hut and dragged out his wife, daughter and two sons. Forty-year-old Surekha, 17-year-old Priyanka, 19-year-old Roshan and 21-year-old Sudhir were stripped naked and paraded to the village square where the women were probably raped. All of them were beaten with bicycle chains and other implements and their leg bones were broken, presumably to prevent their escape. Finally, they were killed by axe blows. According to the forensic report they died from,”intracranial haemorrhage and neurogenic shock”. The bodies were loaded on to a bullock cart and dumped in a canal about two kilometres away.
Since no eyewitnesses have come forward, the sequence of events was reconstructed from forensic evidence and the information given by Rajan Gajbiye, who witnessed the victims being stripped. Gajbiye, a Dalit from neighbouring Dhusala and a friend of the family, was already on his way to Khairlanji when Priyanka called for help from………Read full story at Frontline
Posted on: November 21, 2006
December 1st, 2006 at 10:23 pm
D Bose says “You are Pakis”.
Could this guy stoop any lower?
December 2nd, 2006 at 12:13 am
Bengal may have produced great figures in the past (many of who I reverence very much), but today Bengal is a disgrace - dharmically, politically and socially. There are more ’self-haters’ coming out of Bengal than any other part of Bharata. More than half the state is now a place where Hindus are persecuted - and West Bengal seems to be heading in the same direction.
December 2nd, 2006 at 8:20 pm
Dipak Bose:
When there is mention of Shiva and His worship in Rig Veda (in Yajur Veda, Atharva Veda, Upanishads and Aaranyaks also), how can one say Hindus need not worship Bajrang Bali Sri Hanuman? Hanumanji is an Avatar of Bhagwan Shiva, to be precise, of His Rudra Roop. Hanuman Chalisa extols him in such expressions as ‘Pawan Tanaya’, Sankar Suvan’. We may bring to your notice that in Yajur Veda Shiva and His worship has been extensively described in full eight chapters beginning with ‘Namaste Rudra Manyava….’. (Yajuh.16/1).
You say, “There is no mention of Shiva or Vishnu in Rig Veda”. See these: Yo Thano Mitro Varuno Yatha Rudrash-cha (1:3:26); Rudro Maruto Varunash-ch ((5:3:3); Tamu Yakshva Mahe Saumanaaya Rudram (5:42:17); Praatah Somam Ut Rudram Huvema (7:41:4); Svadhayaa Ch Shambhuh (3:17:5); Svasti no Rudrah Patvam Hasah; Gaureer-mimaay Salilaani Takshati, etc.
In Yajur Veda, besides those contained in the above mentioned eight chapters, the following also can be seen: Esh Te Rudra Bhagah (3:57); Av Rudram; Rudras Taarakam (3:58); Trayambakam Yajamahe Sugandhim Pushti Vardhanama (3:60); Shivo Naamaasi (3:63).
Calling Puranas a mythology, is promoting Western make-believe false propagandas. If one studied Hindu Texts in original - and from Hindu teachers, he would soon realise the ludicricity of such a notion. Brother, they are as sacred, traditional and divine as the Vedas - and eternal too.
Core of Hinduism is not just Rig Veda. Besides Rig, there are Yajur, Saam and Atharva Vedas too. Then, there is the Panchamam Veda, Mahabharatam. In Gita itself Sri Bhagawan has said “I am Rig Sam and Yajur Veda” (Rik Sam Yajur Eva Ch (9/17); from amongst the Vedas Sam is my swaroop (Vedaanaam Sam Vedo-asmi (10/22).
Those who are ludicrous and ridiculous themselves, ridicule others. We should, therefore, not care for, or heed, the ridicules of the Westerners. If we started getting too touchy about their ridiculing remarks, we would end up as full-fledged Christians – even then sham imitations. Their ridicules are not going to end by that even, for, they have nurtured – and now highly developed, a false mistaken sense of superiority; while we, on account of our ignorance of our own Dharma, culture and history resulting from reading their literatures and reporting only, have developed that of inferiority. They shall now call us Brownies or coloured! Believe me, we have absolutely nothing to feel inferior about.
December 2nd, 2006 at 11:33 pm
“In Rig Veda, Upanisad and Bhagwat Gita there is no indication that the Hindus need to worship Hanuman.”
This statement is such a recipe for disaster.
Lets put it this way.
Do we really need a book to tell us what we can and cant do.
Do we not see the dire result of such strict code of conduct in other religions.
I haven’t read many Hindu books but as far as I know, according to Krishna, Hanuman was clearly to be worshipped with great honour and respect. He thus had a flag of Hanuman as an emblem of good luck on His chariot.
December 3rd, 2006 at 3:03 pm
As a Hindu you are duty bound to read the Vedas or at least hear its truth. All other books are simpy a veneer on this faith. The Spirit of YOUR faith rests in the Rg Veda.
Pls read it (evena few shlokas / hymns) and come back, your opinion then (to me) would be very valuable.
DIRE Results of Strcitness!
We need to look at our own hands, the dirt there is uncleansed and vision of other faiths is irrelevant. Proof. Only last week Hindus had to riot to get past other Hindus simply to worship. (The Dalits). The week before SIX (HINDU) Women and Girls were HACKED to Death with axes and chains by Hindu “Men” (notably absent when the Moslems attack). All because we have steered so far from the Book - The Rg Veda. Books do not tell us what to do. But when read with an open mind they show the path to follow. However, when the paths are many, men (generally Bhramins) make up actions that lead to falseness. We are far from our core & I believe that’s why DB labors on the RV - it is an attempt to return to the “True Faith”. I know that from reading this book many current practices are a flaccid replcament for the true way!
can I quickly back this up? Yes!
a) Soma. Central to our faith. Countless verses on its importance yet we do not know what it is, indeed seems to have been replaced by Milk & Honey (Amrit - am sure this is Catholic Heaven).
b) yet “do not eat cow” unstated in RV yet central to our faith
we lose the fact stated (Importance of Soma) then import a new concoction. What else have we imported? So only by alinging ourself back with the RV will be able to remove appendages which shackle us!
ATB
December 4th, 2006 at 1:23 pm
Dr.Ranjit Singh:
Rig Veda has mentioned Vishnu as the Deva of the sky; however, Shiva is not mentioned.
Where was in the other three vedas Hanuman mentioned? Can you give me the book no, Hymn no and verse no, then I can verify.
Purans, as the name indicates, are some accounts of the old days mixed with mythology.
The main scriptures are Rig Veda, Upanisad and Bhagwat Gita. These create the core of the religion.
One may some add parts of Mahabharat, Ramayana and Bhagavatam; but others are although connected to Hinduism but not really scriptures.
It is essential to seperate out Hindu religion from Sanskrit literature, Indian Philosophy, law books and various chronicles.
December 4th, 2006 at 2:36 pm
Interesting disection. DB I beleive that your laying out of Indian Philo. Law, & Chronicles away from the faith is relevant and far overdue. That we are able to do so is questionable. However, it is necessary and every event must start from some point. I say HV UK debaters are prime set to start such an event (moderators permitting). Would not want Militant Wing of Hare Krishnas (LOL) attacking HV. I like this site it has brought some good minds together.
I like this theory of seperating the literature to achieve the True Core. Need to ask. Everyone pitch in “Why id the Elephant not in the RV?” This is a book of might, spirit, magnititude, gloriously applauded strength of animal eg. horses, etc Yet the Iconic Beast of India, The War Tank on a battlefield, the progeny of the Mammoth does not get a slip of a mention. Yet later text hails him as as Ganesh - but absent from RV.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:34 am
I think during the pre-independence days in India , there were serious efforts to go back to the core: Ram Mohan Roy, Swami Dayananda have started their Bramho Samaj and Arya sava for that purposes. Then Swami Vivekananda and Sri Aurobindo also joined in that efforts.
However, after 1947, we have seen only recently a backward movement in India emphasizing unimportant issues.
However, there is no need to depend on what is goping on in India.
Indian media is anti-Hindu, the major political parties are anti-Hindu. BJP is for Hindutva of Savarkar, which is also anti-Hindu.
Thus, there is a need for the Hindus living outside India to propagate the Core of the Hindu religion.
December 8th, 2006 at 11:50 pm
I am at the minute reading the Vedas and am half way through it. I cant claim to understand all of it and I rely my understanding on the translation provided by the writer.
If you know of any good website where translation is easy to read and understand then please post here.
December 8th, 2006 at 11:54 pm
I don’t think its correct to say crime was committed because the Hindus did not read or follow the Vedas. Although yes had they followed ANY religious books be it hare Krishna or Swaminarayana or Amma devi or other saints, they would not have committed the crime. If we have so many Gods meaning we also have so many philosophies. So how can we justify sticking to the Vedas or the Upanishads or the Bhagvad Gita only?
Yes “Books do not tell us what to do. But when read with an open mind they show the path to follow.” However from the argument put by Dipak seems to suggest that he wants us to follow the book STRICLTY.
So just because the Vedas does not mention Hanuman then he refuses to believe in him.
Im not an expert on our religion and am still learning, so please forgive any comments made in arguing this point.
I think some of you are looking for God with intelligence than with your heart.
It seems to be a common trend of today’s intellect. They want to argue about God with intellect when God Himself says follow me with all your heart and all your mind.
I am also getting confused with your views that we should not involve ourselves with Ganesh and Hanuman. Is it something to be ashamed of? Do we really need to please the Western mind or make it acceptable for them or to stop them laughing at us.
Yes I know you all have mentioned time and time again they are not mentioned in the Vedas. But as
But Guess who narrated the Vedas?
Ved Vyas and it was supposed to be written by Ganesh!
Hanuman was respected by Krishna and Rama.
How then can I ignore Ganesh or Hanuman.
December 9th, 2006 at 1:06 am
KP - It was the MB that was written by Ganesh not The Vedas
Note Hindu Calender
Feb - Shivaratri
Mar - Ram Nawmi
Apr - Hanuman Jayanti
Sep - Krsn Janamashtmi
Nov - Ganesh Chaturi
END
Does it concern anyone that no Vedic Gods - The ones who brought us this faith is honored?. This again is what happens when you fail to focus on the core / the eye of the eagle, your efforts are wasted.
Veda Shakti!
December 9th, 2006 at 9:24 am
KP - Great Applaud to you. You have chosen to read the Rg Veda. Many simply argue, frequently with the anncillary literature of the faith. You have chosen to seek the Core. I wish you great success and wealth. If you need the English version read R Griffiths - on www.sacred-texts.com
Veda Shakti
December 9th, 2006 at 9:52 pm
Deeno yes you are right. It was my bad sentence.
December 9th, 2006 at 10:04 pm
Thank you deeno fo the link. I will certainly look it up.
I get an e-mail everyday with 5 slokas only from
http://www.gurudeva.org/study/mc/todays_lesson.shtml
They are in English.
Just to inform you a bit more about it.
Subscribe here
gurudeva-vedas-subscribe@jnanadana.org
On the first day 5 slokas from Rig veda are sent,
On the Second day 5 slokas from Yajur veda
On the third day 5 slokas from Atharva Veda and
On the 5th day 5 slokas from Sama Veda are sent.
This is continued daily so on the 6th day you get 5 more slokas from
the Rig Veda.
This will continue till all the slokas are sent.
As it is sent automatically on a roll on basis, you will NOT receive
slokas from the beginning of the book but from where ever it last
posted. This will become clear when you apply.
If you don’t like it, you can easily unsubscribe.
Your reading will be complete in 2 years time.
Its really a great way to get absorbed in to one of our most holiest
books.
It will give you chance to make notes and understand the verses.
Some of it is difficult to grasp.
You can find these lessons on
http://www.gurudeva.org/study/mc/todays_lesson.shtml
December 10th, 2006 at 4:37 pm
I feel it makes a lot of sense in what DB and DS says about bringing Hinduism in to the 21st centuary, especially about Naga Sanyasi and rat temples in Rajestan.
I have also read a lot of comments about the exotic carvings of men and women in our temple pillors. Some may agree while others may not.
But I feel different about Hanuman. I feel he is supreme, a symbol of loyalty, devotion, friendship. There is nothing wronh in saying Hanuman as Bhagwan which is different from calling some one Parmatma or God.
We call Gurudev, Matru/pretrudev etc. It is a term, a word for the respected, different from God. I also find it soothing to recite Hanuman Chalisa. It gives me inner peace.One has to follow one’s instict, belief and conviction with a bit of common sense.
Bhupendra
December 10th, 2006 at 5:39 pm
BG - I am not trying to bring The Aryawarth to the 21st Century. I trying to take it back over 5,000 years to its pure form.
If Hanuman is a way we find Vayu may great things come to you. Or you may choose to worship Vayu?
December 10th, 2006 at 7:15 pm
DS:
May your wish be granted in going back 5000 years and mummifying your self in true Pharos tradition.
Perhaps your contribution may be more appreciated then.
December 10th, 2006 at 8:22 pm
Interesting BP. But I have not read that The Aryawarth Mummify. I was hoping that books from this period would reveal the foundations of my faith. I was hoping we could absord the values of the RV (5,000 years old) then proceed to other texts.
I hope its not too radical to understand the seed / root before trying to examine further literature.
December 10th, 2006 at 9:01 pm
KP thank you for the links re. vedas. They are very useful.
December 13th, 2006 at 11:11 pm
Indian-American astronaut Sunita Williams blasted into space Sunday carrying
a Lord Ganesha Deity,
the Bhagavad Gita
and a packet of samosas,
in addition to what the well traveled astronaut packs for a six-month stint on the International Space Station.
Jai Shree Ganesh
December 14th, 2006 at 6:50 am
Two other Indians( with Indian passports) went to the Space 24 years ago in 1982 in Russian rockets, but there was no hue and cry in the Indian media. Indian media said at that time, there is nothing to be proud of if your neighbour gives you a ride in his Rolls-Royce. That is more true about these Indian ( with American passports) going to the space, as they are not Indian any more.
USA will not allow any Indian ( with Indian passports) to go to the space; even it will not allow Russia to take Indians to the International Space Station.
When will you wake up?
Be proud when India , like China, can send Indians to the space. Not before.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:56 am
I am proud she is an Indian, that despite a piece of paper telling her that she is American, she is at heart a Hindu and an Indian!
December 14th, 2006 at 8:03 am
Here is a little story about Hanuman from the Mahabharata
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karna#The_Loss_of_his_Armour
Karna’s superiority over Arjuna
Arjuna’s chariot was hit by Karna’s arrows and was displaced a few meters backwards from the impact of the arrows. At that time Lord Krishna, who was driving Arjuna’s chartiot, praised Karna for his feat. Arjuna, whose arrows had displaced Karna’s chariot by several hundred meters, was shocked at Krishna’s praise for Karna and questioned him.
Krishna said “Arjuna, I myself who own the whole weight of the entire Universe am sitting on your chariot and your chariot is covered by the blessing of Lord Hanuman. Without these two factors, Karna’s arrows would have hurled your chariot off the Earth.”
It is further mentioned that Karna was capable of defeating Jarasandha in single combat. Finally, Parashurama, before cursing him, had mentioned to Karna that he was his (Parashurama’s) complete equal.Last but not the least, after the MAHABHARATA war,Lord Krishna takes Arjuna’s chariot to a remote place.Then,he asks Arjuna to get down first.After that, Lord Krishna gets down.After taking Arjuna some distance away, Krishna shows Arjuna the presence of Lord Hanuman above his chariot.When Lord Hanuman gets down Arjuna’s chariot, the horses are burnt alive & the chariot explodes into pieces.When questioned about this by Arjuna, Lord Krishna tells him that the chariot was already destroyed by Drona and Karna’s divine weapons in the war, but the divine presence of Lord Hanuman on the chariot protected Partha from certain death.Thus it required the presence of the greatest warrior ever in this universe,Lord Hanuman, to protect Arjuna from certain death at Karna’s hands.
Jai Shree Hanuman.
The Hanuman Chalisa has equal ‘protection’ in our lives today.
They have had tremendous effect on my life.
Through Hanuman we can get Moksa. Pray to Him.
December 14th, 2006 at 6:17 pm
To me the most important part of Hanuman ji is his character. (duh.) What is this character? At Rameshwaram, Hanuman ji is bowing before Rama who is bowing before Shiva, who happens to be in the heart of Hanuman Ji.
Narayana is the actor and the field. That is hanuman and shiva and rama and et al. Here is a most eloquent exposition of humility, faith, service, strength, undauntedness, love… that you can get in an animal. If an animal can have so many good characteristics, why not us?
We can argue about which book is the core of our religion. To do so is to miss the main point of our religion - the core is not a finite book, idol, belief, or person - the core is the personal affection with the supreme. The truth is the source and the end (the alpha and the omega) everything else is the effor of finite entities to describe it. This, I think, does not denegrate the history or great texts that by chance we were born into - but we should not limit ourselves to just one source of truth (ie don’t give up on experimental science, ayurveda…).
The judgement of how good a truth source is based on the historical and mytical benefit of that source to our relationship to the truth - the core of our religion. But utility is tempered by the truth itself - not our ego. When our ego demands that truth is a certain way, as our upanishads say, those who say they know the truth, don’t. Are there religious folk that believe they know which book is right - christians, muslims. Why do they fail? they think the truth is bound to just one book. Is there truth in the book - of course there is. Even fables teach us how to live better.
Should we worship rats… If you’re ignorant enough to find solice in a rat, a dead idea of a man (jesus), or a book that is so political that it kills millions of people (Koran) then that is your relationship to the truth. Someday, with broader spiritual insight you may give up books and look simply on the face of the supreme.
We, as those who have an inheritance of a tradition much greater than such limited fields of understanding, are selfish if we’re not out helping others come to the greater reality - ourselves, our stupid brahmin folk discriminating against dalits, the christians, the muslims, etc.
hariaum
December 14th, 2006 at 10:14 pm
“Should we worship rats… If you’re ignorant enough to find solace in a rat, a dead idea of a man (jesus),…..”
That sentence almost reads
“Should we worship monkeys… If you’re ignorant enough to find solace in a monkey .. then that is your relationship to the truth.”
No one worships a tree, a stone, a snake or a rat at its face value.
Well we all know that truth — so don’t need to repeat it here.
Try learning from this little mouse
http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/children/mystic_mouse/
[The above links to a wonderful website and book; one which adults and children will love. It brings the basics of Hindu philosophy and values into the child’s world through the fascinating tales of Mystic Mouse and his adventures under the guidance of Sage Lion.]
For more such links
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hinduinfo/
Can I say Jesus was a great teacher saint and my guru. I am Hindu.
I like to lead the example of another great saint and philosopher of the past
DATTATREYA
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hinduinfo/message/304
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hinduinfo/message/305
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hinduinfo/message/306
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hinduinfo/message/312
December 18th, 2006 at 2:43 am
In my Humble opinion, there is atma in all that is living, and paramatma is God. This is a pan-theistic religion because all is whithin brahman(the universe) vedas were written to make the masses understand this consept in order to live a fulfilled life, the sub-consious aim of every atma is to unite with the paramatma.